09 Mar 2014 10:12:43
I'm not sure if I seen it on here. but since when did grown ups think it was okay to let youngsters play with fireworks never mind in confined spaces?

6 Oct 2013 - Lazio v Fiorentina : midway through the 2nd half a fan decides a firecracker would add to the atmosphere. The pyro explodes in his hand - he loses 3 fingers and burns to his face & body (photo can be posted ).

19 May 2013 - Wigan v Aston Villa : 5 mins into the game and a smoke bomb is let off. A 15yr old boy's eyes start to burn and he struggles to breathe. Next day he is still unwell at School and is taken to hospital where x-rays show he has suffering the effects of smoke inhalation and has damage to his lungs. 2 other fans also received hospital treatment.

5 May 2013 - Liverpool v Everton : game had barely started when an 8 yr old Everton fan was hit in the back of the neck with a smoke bomb ( there's also a photo of the smoke bomb however you can't see the child as he's fell to the ground). He had to receive treatment for a burn to his neck. This is well publicised on the Everton website and they have made their stance well known.

Ed, I would be grateful if we could see a reduction in things like sarcastic 'pray for asthmatics' etc. I can see how teenagers are in awe of the fireworks and smoke bombs going off in European games etc and yeah they do look a spectacle. My Son is influenced by it all that's why I've taken the time to learn the facts.

As an adult I'm never going to think its alright to play with fireworks and smoke bombs are classed as this. Can you imagine the 8yr old Everton fan had been facing the other way and his eyes had been hit - no!

Ed007 has obviously pointed out about Leigh Griffiths attacking a 14yr old with a slush (?), we can't think that's out of order but throwing a firework is okay.

After seeing the facts - no pyro no party. Fine by me, I managed all these years to party without pyro.

Anybody that does want to wave their wee flag in support of pyro, don't do it from behind a computer. Go and speak to the Parents of the 8 yr old face to face.

A wee bit off subject I know but just something I was l looking at this morning and discussing with a pal who quite rightly pointed out about an adult thinking its okay to play with fireworks.

1.) 09 Mar 2014
Watch yourself Mrs E or you will be called a spoilsport, there are plenty of adult's on here who think it's ok for adult's to play with firework's and make sarky comment's about people with asthma, so I think your pi$$ing against the wind on this one Mrs E, some can only see it as you wanting to waste their fun?
Tambhoy

2.) 09 Mar 2014
I would expect that from a teenager Tam. Nothing more cringey than watching an Adult trying to revisit their youth and think they're 'cool' with the youngsters. Never happens lol (We used to get folk like this to go into the off sales for us when we were teenagers then couldn't wait to get rid of them)

Maybe these adults don't like football and are there for the firework display or smoke effects?

3.) 09 Mar 2014
Nothing wrong with fireworks or smoke bombs. Adds atmosphere like the GB. Been happening in europe and most disco's since the 80s

4.) 09 Mar 2014
Well there you go KP, go to a disco and watch the game. Mind take your fireworks to add to the smoke machine.

5.) 10 Mar 2014
10 Mar 2014 02:47:54
It is happening more and more, but sometimes I despair for the panty wetters amongst our support.

They will bring up absolutely anything to deflect from the very real problems at the club.

Let's bring up something, anything to stop us remembering the failures in this seasons cup tournaments.

No asthmatics were harmed in producing this post.

6.) 10 Mar 2014
'No asthmatics were harmed in producing this post' - true

Only Che making a fool of himself producing this post.

An 8yr old Everton fan is treated for burns to his neck and Che thinks its to deflect away for Celtic's cup exits in season 2013/14.

The mentality of a fan that uses the phrase panty wetter so original and trendy.

7.) 10 Mar 2014
10 Mar 2014 07:40:56
Smoke bombs and flares can be found at Celtic games dating back to the 1985 Scottish Cup Final: http://www.celticminded.com/forums/showpost.php?p=605565&postcount=711

Nothing new, it's old news and part of the terrace culture!

8.) 10 Mar 2014
Aw Che please tell me you didn't spend your time uploading a whole lot of Green Brigade pics?

They have their own forum.

9.) 10 Mar 2014
HB, you misunderstand my post.

I’m not saying pyros aren’t used or they bother me in particular, I just don’t think a grown adult should think its a laughing matter when someone is hurt.

Its not old news, I gave examples of games from last season where fans have been hurt.

Here’s a question then for you and Che – do you take pyros into games and let them off youself or do you rely on someone else doing in? Are you quite prepared to see a teenager arrested rather than have the b*lls to do it yourself?

I would say about 90% of these adults waving their flag for pyros are NOT prepared to get caught themselves and would (pardon the plagiarism Che) wet their wee pants if they were arrested. The pics uploaded particularly 2nd down on the right-hand side, have a good look at the faces in the pic – school day out?

10.) 10 Mar 2014
Mrs e let me be clear I never have and never will take pyro/smoke bombs in to football matches but the stats you point out are 2 in England and 1 in Italy you can't even bring it to our own shores to highlight a problem. Why don't you contact the first minister and ask him to rush through a policy banning guy Fawkes as that would save more lives and injuries than worrying about a football match. Stamp out pyro on 5th nov then stamp out football smoke bombs.

11.) 10 Mar 2014
Where or when have I ever said I have anything to do with taking pyro into a game?

But in any case, if I want something done I am more than capable of doing it myself.

If parents are that irresponsible they let young teenagers goto games themselves then it's not the GB's fault if they get into trouble.

It's been happening for years.

Nobody is forced to do anything and it's not a baby sitting service at football. If people can't trust their own kids to make good judgements then why are they allowing them to attend matches by themselves?

Let's not get carried away here by blaming the GB for others lack of basic parenting skills.

Did your parents blame the adults that bought your carry out when you were a teenager, or the shop?

Oh and btw I wouldn't even know where to start uploading pictures on here, obviously I'm not the only only one who can see your panty wetting PLC, nothing to see here agenda.

12.) 10 Mar 2014
Che you are the only one who can see it, you’re the only poster on here who is constantly in confrontation with others for no good reason. I’m not sure what your issues are at all.

I’m glad you’ve posted what you did though, its cleared a few things up for me about your good self. Thanks (I’ll be sure to pass on your thoughts that those with pyro have bad Parents)

If kids were not allowed to go to games without their Parents, the GB would not exist. Its made up of about 80% youngsters but then you would know that considering you follow Celtic everywhere as you’ve previously posted.

My post is not about the GB anyway but clearly you have some strange fascination with them which is quite frankly disturbing.

As you and Jim have both said, its not something you do anyway and do leave it to others.

13.) 10 Mar 2014
Like Che, I have at no point mentioned myself or others I attend Celtic games with taking pyro. I think the part of Che's post that hits the nail on the head of problems within our own away support is the babysitting comment. I've been attending away games as a regular for around 5 years now (so from the age of 19/20), the last couple of seasons I've noticed a massive increase in the amount of wee guys about 14/15 going to games unacompanied by an adult (including the CSC I go with's bus, there was even wee guys went to Brentford overnight with people they've knew for less than 12 months) trying to tell their pals at school they're part of the Green Brigade or Celtic Soccer Crew / Celtic Youth. It's rife all over Scotland right now, not just our support. Weans 14-18 year old travelling to away games on their own bus, mobhanded. Staying in Hamilton, and knowing a lot of ex / old school ACF (Accies Casual Force) lads - they've got a bunch of hanger on. Running busses to away games, setting off smokes, chanting "We are Hamilton" in town centres. Sooner or later these wee guys (Accies, Celtic, St Johnstone, Sevco or whoever) will take a severe slap off a group of casuals in their mid to late 20's. Wee bit off your point, but I feel it's also relevant to the overall topic.

14.) 10 Mar 2014
HB, of course your point is relevant and is kinda what I’m getting at too. that's why i’m (rightly or wrongly) wondering if Che has really seen what's going on.

What HB is saying is going on is the nail on the head only some Adults are actively encouraging these youngsters and actually think they are part of it. Some big over 25 year old thinking they are down with the kids. Its a rid neck.

Thats what I’m saying as an Adult, I do not think it okay to play with fireworks at football. KP said about Discos – pretty sure if you let a smoke bomb off in Hamilton Palace is would not be okay, or in your work, school, nursery, shopping centre etc etc

I’ve stood in the middle of thick green smoke and other than could not see for about 5mins, was unaffected. But I’m not going to buy them or set them off myself if it never happened at another game – I can’t say I would bother.

15.) 10 Mar 2014
So if your post is nothing to do with the GB who are you accusing of giving kids pyro?

Could the little wannabes not buy them themselves?

If their parents let them attend football by themselves who's to say what else they let them do while their mothers sit in the bingo or their dad sits in the pub or bookies.

Please do let them know if you know anyone that does it, most of the parents I know would never dream of allowing their kids to go to Celtic Park alone never mind away games.

So if you aren't blaming the GB you are blaming the young teenagers whose parents are happy to see their children out their hair for a few hours and for them to be someone else's problem.

If you don't care enough for your kids to ensure that they are safe and you know exactly what they are upto then don't come bleating about how it is other adults faults, when in fact the sole blame lies with you, the parents.

Look at the difference in attitude after the Motherwell game. Everyone was up in arms screaming about the GB blah blah blah. When it came out it was nothing to do with them and it was a bunch of kids all the panty wetters clamped their mouth, either the kids were there without proper supervision or their parents allowed them to do it.

But that doesn't suit does it?

If people took responsibility for their kids Motherwell would probably not have happened. Nothing to do with adults giving them pyro, or telling them to break seats, or arranging a meet in Motherwell for a running battle in the town centre.

Then when the s**t hits the fan all the parents look for someone else to blame, their X would never do that, it must be someone else's fault, even big boys done it and ran away.

You say that pictures show youngsters with pyro, where are their parents?

Would you let the son you mentioned go to football himself?

And if you did and he was arrested or got a suspension/banning order over something that happened who would you blame?

I know for a fact that nobody is asked to take anything into the ground, if young wannabes volunteer that's hardly their fault either, again where are the parents?

But again that doesn't suit your panty wetting, PLC apologist agenda.

16.) 10 Mar 2014
Che you are so funny I should be offended but your post makes no sense.

Are you on a sponsor see how many times I can mention PLC apologist? Who mentioned Celtic, the GB or the Board anywhere (other than you? )

My post was about the dangers of pyros and making fun of those who have been affected and from that you have taken it to mean under 18’s at the football have bad Parents. I think Che has an agenda, do share?

17.) 10 Mar 2014
Deflect, deflect.

That's typical of you, avoid answering anything but you readily start with personal attacks and put downs.

Read back through the posts, I am not the only one who mentions Celtic or the GB, after all it's a Celtic forum, and some of us have more of a life than to trawl the internet looking for incidents with fireworks at matches, so it is easier to discuss our own club's stance on the subject.

If you didn't want the post to turn to the subject of the GB then what was the point in the original post? To talk about Everton or Lazio? Why not talk about the hundreds of matches every weekend where there are no injuries?

I assume you and your family are all safely locked up every 5th of November?

And yes, if a youngster is arrested or gets into trouble at the football I blame the parents, who would you blame?

The Green Brigade?

Why do you think the club sells parent and child tickets? It is so that the ground isn't full of unsupervised youngsters. The club, stewards or other supporters should not be used as a babysitting service by people not willing to take responsibility for their child actions.

I've seen it happen, people let their kids go to games and when something happens they will blame anyone but themselves.

I will ask again, although I know you won't answer, if it's not the parents fault whose is it?

And seeing as you have travelled the globe looking for incidents with fireworks have a read at the rules concerning under 16s at Wembley,

www.wembleystadium.com/TheStadium/StadiumGuide/RulesnRegulations

The part that says

"24 Responsibility for minors remains at all times with a parent or guardian."

OR

Why do Liverpool want an adult with kids buying tickets?

http://goo.gl/ZXGJWr

"What Is The Age Limit For Supporters Wishing To Purchase Junior Tickets?

Junior tickets can be purchased for supporters attending a match who are 16 or under. Please note that juniors cannot purchase tickets without an accompanying adult."

OR

A bit closer to home, do the SFA know that a group of juveniles together at football is a bad idea?

www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottishfootball.cfm?page=2516

"As per standard stadium safety rules, every four under-16s must be accompanied by a paying adult. Subject to availability."

I'm sure you know better though....

18.) 10 Mar 2014
Che you are obviously taking the time to answer which is fair enough but again where in my original post have I mentioned the GB or unaccompanied Under 16s at the football? You go on about panty wetter yet are quoting stadium rules which you want adhered to, is this ALL rules or just certain rules that suit you. Maybe you can quote the rules at ALL stadiums that doesn’t allow fireworks or is that just Celtic that do that (am I apologising for the PLC saying that – please keep me right here)

You have just ‘trawled the internet’ for rules regarding Liverpool and Wembley. If you really must know the information I got on pyros was an information leaflet, if I had trawled the internet I would be able to find a lot more incidents as you can probably imagine.

I don’t think its okay for an Adult to encourage playing with fireworks at the football and by the angry tone of your posts, you do. The fact you are comparing to bonfire night is a bit of a worry.

19.) 10 Mar 2014
I've trawled Everton's site and the story is there regarding the 8yr old who was accommpanied by a Parent.

Che - as a Parent I don't want this to be my kids and I'm never going to tell my teenage Son having a pyro is okay.

www.evertonfc.com/news/archive/2013/12/03/smoke-bomb-warning

20.) 10 Mar 2014
Still no straight answers I see.

I supposed I should be used to that from people like you by now.

I don't know why you needed to go hunting about the kid at Everton, I am talking about young teenagers who bring pyro into the ground, you know the type, the kids get abandoned at the bus or ground and the parents just expect others to do their job of being a parent.

It's a society problem and if parents are that irresponsible, how the hell do you expect the kids to behave.

My parents would never have allowed me to go to a game alone whilst I was school age. Who do you think the parents would blame if, God forbid, their kid never made it home. I'd hazard a guess that it wouldn't be themselves.

I brought up the 5th of November as I would imagine someone who is SO concerned about kids welfare at football regarding smoke would not expose their own kids to it in their garden or anywhere else.

If you are so concerned about children's welfare at football matches surely you must agree that it is irresponsible to allow them to attend matches unsupervised?

No answer to that either I suppose.....

I did notice you ignored Jim1972 as well where he asked why you don't contact the First Minister regarding banning the 5th of November, strange that.

If you feel THAT strongly about it why not start a campaign of your own?

That way you can bore the arse off other people instead of dragging stuff up on here that happened in Italy then when other people (plural) mention Celtic or the situation regarding pyro at Celtic you say you weren't talking about Celtic.

Who would have thought people (plural again) would talk about Celtic - in a Celtic forum of all places!

The comparison and where the thread would go was inevitable in a Celtic forum.

As I have said, and you ignore the point, there are hundreds of stadia where pyro is permitted and there are displays every week, there are a lot more people not injured every weekend than is. That is fact, of it was a problem wouldn't UEFA or the Turkish, Italian, German FA step in?

Would you campaign to ban cars if a kid was knocked down? What about banning alcohol in case kids drink when they are under age? Something you have admitted, was that the brewers fault? The shops? The overage person who bought it for you or was it because your pals were doing it?

After all, with your sanctimonious attitude, I'm sure it wouldn't be your fault.

There's no point taking this any further, once again you have shown everyone on here exactly what type of supporter you really are.

A PLC apologist who sees themselves as some sort of moral compass to the Celtic supporters on here and who refuses to answer other posters who question you.

Ffs even in your original post you are trying to tell ED007 what he should and shouldn't be posting - now that's arrogance!

You can sit and come up with some more sanctimonious claptrap but I will be ignoring it, it's impossible to have a conversation with someone who is incapable of conversing, you can only have so many questions ignored before it feels like you are talking to yourself.

*No asthmatics were harmed in producing this post OR in the three examples mentioned by the OP*

21.) 11 Mar 2014
Pyrotechnics of any sort do not belong in a football ground. The only exception I will accept is when they are organised by the club and approved by safety e.g when they hand over trophies etc. Certainly not in the hands of some half-drunk f**kwit who thinks its funny throwing them into the crowd - what a laugh eh? So some kid whas blinded or burned or a working man lost his job because he ad an eye takn out, only a bit of fun. I will say no more on this as its my opinion and I don't care if you disagree with it. Rant over Ed.

22.) 11 Mar 2014
11 Mar 2014 08:28:39

{This thread is closed and nothing else will be added to it. It is not up for debate and if people can't behave like adults they will be banned from the site all together.}