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02 Jul 2023 18:35:29
I see, further down, that WeeJoe is talking about best Celtic keepers in his time watching Celtic.
Celtic, in my opinion, has never had a surfeit of great goalkeepers. Simpson is undoubtedly the best I've seen with Boruc in second place. However my all time favourite was Frank Haffey. He once took a goal kick (we called them byes in those days) and kicked it into his own net. I was at the match (think it was v Airdrie) and I can still recall the collective gasp of disbelief from the crowd. The 'goal' never stood of course, but what a shock. There are lots of incidents/ stories re Frank as the old timers will no doubt recall. The guy was some character and an absolute legend. Loved him to bits and he will always be my favourite ??
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1.) 02 Jul 2023 21:03:14
In the past, Celtic would always spend decent money on forward players, compared to defenders and keepers.
Celtic always wanted to entertain and if we conceded a couple of goals, we would still be confident of winning.
“The Celtic Way”.
2.) 02 Jul 2023 21:03:15
Harry I remember Frank took a penalty against Airdrie we were winning 9-0 and he missed.
3.) 02 Jul 2023 21:05:02
That is a cracking story Harry, gave me a good chuckle.
Talking about characters in goals. I remember being in the Jungle, singing "Peter, Peter give us a wave".
4.) 03 Jul 2023 09:06:25
Latchford for England.
30 Jun 2023 11:47:42
Re previous post. perhaps we should pressurise them club into accepting the fee if it materialises and give it to charity less anything owed to Benfica . that's one solution which would keep us true to our principles.
1.) 30 Jun 2023 12:36:44
The Celtic Foundation Charity have given over £500k since lockdown helping local communities.
Celtic FC also give to numerous amount of Charities.
Celtic can’t be expected to try and change the World and there’s No point cutting our nose off to spite our face.
2.) 30 Jun 2023 13:00:05
I’m afraid I have to disagree with you on that one Buzz. If ever the world needed changing its now, and everyone has to try … we owe that to those who will follow.
Celtic could have a glorious opportunity to show a guiding light here…but unfortunately you and I know they won’t. You think it’s excusable, I don’t. That’s the way the world is these days.
3.) 30 Jun 2023 13:50:47
The World would be a much better place Harry, if we had more people like yourself ?.
4.) 30 Jun 2023 18:24:25
I would expect nothing short of revolt if Board decided to give their cut of Jota’s transfer fee to Charity . We might as well go down the whole Charity rd and become the first non profit football playing in Champions League. As long as SFA, UEFA and FIFA allow Saudi to trade in footballers from the rest of World then Celtic should continue to trade .
I would rather we canvassed to remove cheating in Scottish Football.
5.) 30 Jun 2023 19:05:03
That’s a strange post from CC re cheating considering it comes from a supporter of a team that in the last 23 years have won more games, more cups, more championships by a distance than any other team. I just don’t get that.
But I guess, from the replies received re my Saudi post, that even amongst Celtic supporters, profit and winning trumps ethics again unfortunately, by a distance.
Too bad I think, but I expected the answers posted. Thanks for participating in the experiment.
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6.) 30 Jun 2023 19:17:35
Harry
Whit are ye asking up there on yir high horse?
Mind It’s a dangerous place ye could faw aff but happy to continue the conversation ma friend.
7.) 30 Jun 2023 19:56:24
Is that what we are Harry, your experiment, give your head a wobble man.
8.) 30 Jun 2023 20:04:05
Give to charity? ???? have you not thought about future impact of doing that and effectively cheating benfica out of money they are due? Clubs would demand a bigger upfront transfer fee, limiting club in transfer market.
9.) 30 Jun 2023 20:12:19
Instead of your TV package to watch the games or your tickets to attend or the merchandise you buy to show your support for the club, give it all to charity. In fact, give your milk money, petrol money, wages to charity. Give up your house to the homeless.
That's how ridiculous your argument is. Football is a business. The world has changed since the days of Andrew Kerins.
10.) 30 Jun 2023 20:30:10
Hi JFP.
I’m not really on any high horse, and as a man who has fallen of a real horse more than once I know how painful it can be if you don’t role with the fall ?.
No, I’m just a disappointed old man who back in the sixties/ seventies used to think that we long haired, freedom loving liberals were going to make a difference to the world. Truth is, it’s worse than ever. My generation failed miserably and it hurts. The hypocrisy and greed invented in the seventies has become the norm, even among the Celtic club, supporters and players who I always thought were that little bit different. Football has become the Bread and circuses that the Roman elite used to control the masses. Football is the present day ‘bread and circuses’. That’s why the Saudi incursion into football in particular and sport in general is important.
However, football is also an entertainment, so I have no real wish to spoil you and your fellow posters enjoyment. I loved Jota’s goal against Rangers as much as any other fan, but ….
Glad you’ve got over the BR return. I’m sure he will do alright.
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11.) 30 Jun 2023 20:53:19
The Saudi incursion is causing real concern for the pub league and I for one an lapping it up. Mendes is clearly being paid by the Saudis to strip some of the best players from each european league and take them across there. They will push to try and remove European from the CL at some point, to include their champions or try and start a super league and invite the top clubs to it. They want their league better known and to be in the top 5. If it takes money from pub league and we get some of it, I am for it. It is just more corruption in football.
12.) 30 Jun 2023 23:09:47
Agree Maeadinparadise. If there is any form of a superleague it'll likely come in the form of a Saudi backed consortium. They have their finger in every pie Sport related atm with the LIV golf breakaway, Boxing and now football.
13.) 01 Jul 2023 03:28:58
HH raises an interesting point. I support the DBS movement in regard to Palestine, and could certainly see the case for an economic boycott of the Saudis. The grounds are somewhat different: but to hack a US journalist to death and dump his body in the well at the embassy in Istanbul merits an extraordinary response.
Total economic non-engagement only works in a structural and systematic way: it is capable of real pressure (as we see in the backlash against DBS) , but it needs to involve the entire sector, which could be anything from avocado growing to education to tech. Football isn't currently set up like this, obviously, and Celtic don't subscribe in the case of Israel. If they did so, they would likely be ex-communicated. That probably needs to change, medium term. But there isn't much Celtic can do in the meantime.
Don't get me wrong, I ain't thrilled at doing this kind of business, and think it adds legitimacy to a totally illegitimate, and utterly reprehensible regime. The whole point of this sports-washing is, at the end of the day, precisely to normalise the regime, and marginalize these shameful acts; to that extent, any trading partner also contributes to the impunity enjoyed by the regime. Nor can we just pass the responsibility on to the player.
This sort of action always takes major balls, and comes at some financial cost. But why not? People risk much more every day. If we want to make a profit on Jota, we'll surely have the chance to do so without dirtying our hands to this extent (especially if he decides he wants a shot at the better salary) . More satisfactory outcomes which do not throw principles and ethics out of the window can be envisaged.
In short, I'm open to the idea of not doing business with beheaders. Would we trade Jota to Isis if they came in with an acceptable offer?
14.) 01 Jul 2023 09:35:59
How much of a political impact would not selling Jota to a Saudi team have?
Surely, it would make more sense to lobby our own government to stop supplying them with arms, to the tune of 3 billion pounds?
To only buy non-saudi oil for your car.
To boycott all American goods until they stop supporting Saudi Arabia.
By the way you do realise that ISIS and al qayeda have been funded and supported by America and the UK to do their bidding in Iraq, Syria and Libya?
15.) 01 Jul 2023 10:37:11
Joe
All of the above I think. But I would be very proud if we could find some way, even a token gesture, to start ball rolling. And yes, our governments ethical standards makes me feel ashamed.
Cavalcanti
Thank you, you articulated the point much better than I could ever hope to.
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16.) 01 Jul 2023 10:41:24
If a saudi consortium bought club and promised to spend £100m each season on transfers and comply with financial fair play by generating new streams of revenue, every fan would be praising them.
17.) 01 Jul 2023 08:50:10
As a long haired, freedom loving liberal who was going to make a difference to the world, did you actually do anything or was it more a case of sitting in the mud with a joint talking about it before having a kip?
18.) 01 Jul 2023 11:05:55
Niv2023, I don't think that is true and I would expect many of our fans to make their displeasure heard, as was the case when the war criminal John Reid came in.
@harry and @cavalcanti - I think we all share the same view on Saudi Arabia and Israel and I dare say we would have seen both of them condemned in public by the prime minister if Jeremy Corbyn had been elected.
19.) 01 Jul 2023 13:33:40
Harry, you have absolutely no right to dictate and preach to anyone. Your original post is cringeworthy. Oh aye, let's just give away 15-20m. Forget about the thousands of fans who LIVE Celtic FC, put in their hard earned money and want to see the best players at Paradise. Not everyone shares the same politics. Celtic do more than enough.
20.) 02 Jul 2023 16:13:05
Hello Davie,
You probably won’t read this post since it’s so far down the pages now, but anyway, I apologise. I really didn’t want to upset you or the thousands who sustain and live Celtic. It (my post) was only meant to be a discussion post, but perhaps on reflection, it was more abrasively worded than it might have been. Perhaps politics and football shouldn’t be mixed, but Celtic supporters have always, in my experience, leaned more to the left than most, and perhaps that is why I respect them (most of them and most of the time that is) .
So apologies again to you and anyone else I offended, but I have to admit that I did enjoy the replies.
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30 Jun 2023 11:44:32
Just been reading one Celtic journalist blogger says (paraphrasing) that if Jota wants to go and sell himself to a bloodthirsty regime with an appalling civil rights record we (Celtic supporters) should say good riddance to him as he obviously does not get our 'help the poor and downtrodden' etc culture.
I agree with that, but it does beg the question 'should we be taking the Club to task if they deal with regimes such as the Saudis? '
Boycott anyone? or can we think up an excuse for abandoning long held principles of Brother Walfrid?
From previous experience, I suspect the majority of you will go with the latter and that's a pity.
1.) 30 Jun 2023 13:53:20
The club don't stand for the Celtic principles Harry. They've made that clear with their stance taken on other matters.
2.) 30 Jun 2023 14:22:24
Absolute nonsense. Club and Jota have done nothing wrong dealing with saudi club.
A fantastic opportunity for Club to receive a good transfer fee and for Jota to make a wage he probably would not achieve and play in a team with some top class players.
It's hypocritical going on about principles, values and brother walfrid when your most likely happy to fill car up with petrol or diesel on a regular basis without any issues that there is a good chance it came from Saudi Arabia.
End of the day Jota always gave 100%, leaves on good terms and I wish him all the best.
3.) 30 Jun 2023 14:50:37
Our government deals with the Saudis all the time.
4.) 30 Jun 2023 17:02:45
We give tax to the British government and the Saudis have a long way to go to catch them in human rights abuses.
If you consider the most evil regime by the number of deaths caused, we must be at the top of the list.
5.) 30 Jun 2023 18:12:40
Exactly Joe.
6.) 30 Jun 2023 19:23:13
Unbelievable that sounds like the statement the BBC and garry Lineker were making during the world Cup. look a bit closer to home when our own government helped kill 1 million innocent Iraqis.
19 Jun 2023 16:00:49
Not many people are given a chance to rectify past hurts. BR will know that and I have no doubt will live his second life as Celtic Manager accordingly. He is the closest thing Celtic will get to an elite manager in the current football climate. I enjoyed Ange but he has run his course with us now. Time to get behind Brendan (that includes you JFP) .
Great times are ahead, onwards and upwards.
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Ps. Where is Stubbsie?
1.) 19 Jun 2023 18:02:48
Brendan IS an elite manager! .
10 Sep 2022 16:44:40
I've just watched Schved score again for Shaktar (an equaliser this time) .
It just goes to show how self absorbed our Brendan could be. I generally thought him a good manager, but I now think he was so absorbed in his own agenda that he couldn't see the woods for the trees. The fact that he overlooked Schved in a show of pique certainly suggests that there was/ is something lacking in his 'modus operandi'.
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You can tell from the above that I am reduced to watching Ukrainian football in the current climate (lol)
1.) 10 Sep 2022 17:21:53
Harry
Brendan is a walloper.
2.) 10 Sep 2022 17:52:54
Did we ever get to find out what went down with BR and Moussa? The latter definitely claimed the high ground and I think would likely be vindicated.
3.) 10 Sep 2022 18:22:52
Cav
No idea about Moussa but the bit in his book which I’ve since burned about Danny McGrain never happened.
Danny asks to see him and comes into the rodents office to ask ‘Do you still want me here Boss? ’ ‘Danny you’re a legend there will always be a place for you here as long as I’m here’. Which thankful wasn’t long.
Bollocks. Apparently he told that story at Liverpool as well.
Ange is everything that Brendan wasn’t. Genuine, authentic, humble and a man of integrity.
4.) 10 Sep 2022 19:40:39
Didn't Shved have an attitude problem and was quite unwilling to learn English?
Pretty sure he downed tools at Mechelen and demanded a transfer to a Ukrainian side in the summer as well.
I'm in no way a fan of Brenda but she can't take all the blame if the lad has a complex.
{Ed007's Note - One of the red flags over Shved was his attitude and I flagged it up on here when he was first linked to us but to clear things up a bit Brendan Rodgers spoke to Shved personally on at least one occasion so the stuff about him not knowing anything about the deal is another blatant lie from the soon to be ex Leicester manager.
There's probably a few managers across the UK this weekend have more than one reason to toast Auld Lizzie.}
04 Aug 2022 23:16:14
Hi Besty,
I lived and worked in the Far East for years, and when it came time to retire and leave we seriously thought of settling in Cyprus. However we decided family was stronger than Sun and we came home to the Borders. Don’t regret it and before all the C.V. nonsense (still think it was the biggest and most disproportionate reaction ever) we would go to Spain for a good few weeks every year. When things get more normal travel wise we will start going again because that gave us the best of both worlds. So, yes, a berth in both ports is the way I would do it.
Good luck to you, enjoy your retirement.
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{Ed007's Note - Good luck with thecretirement, Besty.}
04 Aug 2022 19:59:53
There was a time when I seriously fancied retiring to Cyprus also ?
Good luck to him. He deserves it. He has always been a favourite of mine. Love fast footed skilful players.
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02 Aug 2022 15:07:30
I didn’t know that. Presumably they were harmful stories betraying a trust?
He was still a good player though, and some of the goals he scored (and set up) were immense.
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{Ed007's Note - Hugh Keevins was getting a lot of information about Celtic from Commons.}
02 Aug 2022 14:20:27
I don’t really understand this ‘anti’ feeling re Walker, Provan, Nicholas and Commons. They all played some really great games for Celtic and scored some really great goals. If they give/ have given an honest appraisal re Celtic which is not over flattering, so be it. Better that than being surrounded by sycophants like Kris Boyd or Kenny Millar.
No, they were good players who served Celtic well, and whilst I don’t always agree with what they say, they are alright by me.
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{Ed007's Note - Commons was leaking stories to the press.}
09 Apr 2022 18:45:08
Time for Buzz I think ?
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02 Jul 2023 16:20:26
Reading the above, particularly JFP re goalkeeper, I find myself wondering what happened to Seighurst. I thought he was fantastic with Dundee U. Whatever happened? Does anybody know? Might he get a another chance under BR?
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02 Jul 2023 16:13:05
Hello Davie,
You probably won’t read this post since it’s so far down the pages now, but anyway, I apologise. I really didn’t want to upset you or the thousands who sustain and live Celtic. It (my post) was only meant to be a discussion post, but perhaps on reflection, it was more abrasively worded than it might have been. Perhaps politics and football shouldn’t be mixed, but Celtic supporters have always, in my experience, leaned more to the left than most, and perhaps that is why I respect them (most of them and most of the time that is) .
So apologies again to you and anyone else I offended, but I have to admit that I did enjoy the replies.
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01 Jul 2023 10:37:11
Joe
All of the above I think. But I would be very proud if we could find some way, even a token gesture, to start ball rolling. And yes, our governments ethical standards makes me feel ashamed.
Cavalcanti
Thank you, you articulated the point much better than I could ever hope to.
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30 Jun 2023 20:30:10
Hi JFP.
I’m not really on any high horse, and as a man who has fallen of a real horse more than once I know how painful it can be if you don’t role with the fall ?.
No, I’m just a disappointed old man who back in the sixties/ seventies used to think that we long haired, freedom loving liberals were going to make a difference to the world. Truth is, it’s worse than ever. My generation failed miserably and it hurts. The hypocrisy and greed invented in the seventies has become the norm, even among the Celtic club, supporters and players who I always thought were that little bit different. Football has become the Bread and circuses that the Roman elite used to control the masses. Football is the present day ‘bread and circuses’. That’s why the Saudi incursion into football in particular and sport in general is important.
However, football is also an entertainment, so I have no real wish to spoil you and your fellow posters enjoyment. I loved Jota’s goal against Rangers as much as any other fan, but ….
Glad you’ve got over the BR return. I’m sure he will do alright.
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30 Jun 2023 19:05:03
That’s a strange post from CC re cheating considering it comes from a supporter of a team that in the last 23 years have won more games, more cups, more championships by a distance than any other team. I just don’t get that.
But I guess, from the replies received re my Saudi post, that even amongst Celtic supporters, profit and winning trumps ethics again unfortunately, by a distance.
Too bad I think, but I expected the answers posted. Thanks for participating in the experiment.
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