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26 Oct 2017 20:09:08
Some comments in a separate thread got me thinking about loans and what is the best way to develop youngsters and lead me to the following question.
Is loaning out our players to other SPFL clubs really the Best for their development anymore?
Going out to the likes of Killie is all fair and well but are they receiving a grounding in the type of football that is required of them for playing for us anymore? How many players do we really loan out who come back and go on to be regulars? I can’t think of many where that has been the case, perhaps McGregor being a recent example and he didn’t go to a Scottish team.
I think that in any sport the only way you can improve is to play and train against players of a higher quality than you are currently at and we aren’t going to get that by loaning to other Scottish clubs, otherwise why aren’t we sending the likes of Ralston, Aitchison, Kouassi etc out to the likes of Dundee, St Johnstone etc?
Perhaps a more realistic route for us is to try and get these guys out to other countries where technique is more of the philosophy, set up a partnership with some teams floating at the fringes of top divisions in Spain, Germany, Holland and Italy and see if any would be willing to take a few of our prospects on for a year and see how it goes. At the very least they will be getting a better football education than they would be getting at Ross County or wherever. Or maybe I’ve been playing too much championship manager.
1.) 26 Oct 2017 20:28:36
@Evinguu may I make two points
Firstly, you are far too sensible to be on here
Secondly, in the absence of Wee Pat can I remind you of our agreement to keep your posts short lol.
2.) 26 Oct 2017 21:44:07
Why do people keep mentioning Ralston for lone when he's our number 2 right back?
{Ed007's Note - Loan out Ralston, spend millions on a new RB and bench Lustig.}
3.) 27 Oct 2017 06:47:43
Erving: ok so some of the EPL clubs get us to give their youngsters a start . What I have noticed with some of the younger players down south is, they don’t want to go on like an they want to play football and as such are walking away from teams like Chelsea to get a start at a lower league team: This is where the real Gems are and they will be cheap.
Getting a player like PR and Moussa sends a message out to these kids that we will give you start and a chance to make a name for yourself.
4.) 27 Oct 2017 09:13:29
I agree with you Evingu. It's player depending of course, foreign players may need to adjust to the Scottish/ British game. Likewise a youngster may add the strings they need for their bow in a different environment, such as Spain. I think the coach/ manager of the receiving club is a big factor too. How are they teaching players to play? I think that is more important than where they are playing. Bang on with the idea of setting up partnerships abroad, I know we have some official ones already but I don't hear much about players swapping Celtic for Santos Laguna or vice versa.
5.) 27 Oct 2017 10:17:03
Evingu. we now have Clark at killie regarded as a great coach in epl and most would have had him here coaching. they need players without spending our boys need experience an opportunity? . kev . yes he's no 2 but six month or a season playing regularly rather than possibly a dozen as back up must be better for boys like Ralston.? . don't know . but do the loan boys train everyday with their loan clubs.
6.) 26 Oct 2017 23:50:33
Timalloy, that is short by my standards, I could have gone on as well you know.
Kev. I’m not saying he should be one out on loan just using as an example. But have not seen it mentioned myself that he needs it.
Ed now that is what I call thinking, need a new 6 mil right back who can also play centre mid.
7.) 27 Oct 2017 07:55:28
Hope that is sarcasm ed007.
{Ed007's Note - :)
8.) 27 Oct 2017 13:51:51
Deep river bhoy he would have played plenty games here if he hadn't been injuried. He's already played against some of the best in the world and is by far a better player than gamboa.
09 Sep 2017 00:53:48
What Scott Brown done tonight was quite probably, in fact almost entirely possibly, one of the worst things I think I have ever seen a human being do.
To suggest in a post match interview that pre season training with Sheikh City was akin to a holiday for wee Patrick Roberts.
I will not set foot in Paradise until I see him stripped of the captaincy and forced to apologise in an interview with Hoopy (peace be upon him)
1.) 09 Sep 2017 01:24:17
Ok c u later.
2.) 09 Sep 2017 09:28:47
evinguu,
miss you already. The place will be empty if you leave. Oh wait, that is the guy with the carry-out I am thinking about.
No need for ETD's just leave -.
3.) 09 Sep 2017 11:35:44
What u smokin?
{Ed007's Note - I think Evinguu's satirical wit has went over most people's heads.}
4.) 09 Sep 2017 12:40:25
Stephbhoy2, wish I had something stronger than ciggys to smoke, you offering?
Ed, jeezo, I'm not sure if it's been missed or if these comments are also just piss taking.
But just in case you guys ain't joking. In my currently distraught state I have cut my card up into 1000 pieces, pissed on it, jumped up and down on it till I got blisters, melted it back together again, jumped on it some more and placed it conscientiously in the plastics recycling bin.
5.) 09 Sep 2017 13:15:14
Haha Evinguu where have you been.
6.) 09 Sep 2017 21:43:45
Gave up smoking that rubbish years ago, made me paranoid n angry. It agrees wae some folk just not me. Haha reading your post again it's so obvious u were joking.
{Ed007's Note - Evinguu used to be a regular poster, Steph and if you were around back then you'd have spotted it right away.}
07 Mar 2017 21:21:39
Things that really grind my gears about football and all that surrounds football. What gets on your goat?
- players diving, or going down after taking a slight knick on the shin and holding their face.
- players claiming for throw ins, corners etc even when it is blatantly obvious they just booted the ball out the park.
- goalkeepers who cannot defend their near post.
- goalkeepers who come for crosses and flail, claim a foul and usually get it given.
- Players being allowed to take throw ins 20 yards from where the ball went out.
- people who think they are great and write long as hell posts on forums.
- Corners that don't beat the first man.
- referees. just referees, nuff said
- people saying things like "i could of been a player, i was good" . aye ye wur!
- Players wages
- folk droning on about the provisional armies and lodges and religion in sport etc etc
- FOCUS and the OBFA
- bias commentators, esp English ones when England are playing
- Pundits and players who dismiss opinion because you weren't a pro
- Journalists who dismiss opinions because you aren't a journalist
- Phil Mac Macgiolla Bhain.
- The same club myth
- Football authorities. see referees.
- Folk who are 'in the know' who quite obviously are not.
- Folk doing lists and who use the terms 'on your goat' and 'grinds my gears'
- Folk going on about the good old days where a challenge was a challenge and men were real men.
- Park the bus tactics
- The amount of players and coaches in Scotland who do not want to progress the game at all but maintain the status quo.
- Fully artificial pitches.
- Radio phone ins where the topics of discussion are the same things year in year out.
- Transfer deadline day
- The transfer market in general.
- Sly spurts
- That groan noise at home when a pass goes astray!
- That guy who sits a few seats away that has been going to games for years but doesn't get the offside rule. or any rules for that matter.
there are many more but i shall stop there.
1.) 07 Mar 2017 21:30:04
Evinguu - is there anything that does not piss you off? 😂ðŸ‘ðŸ€.
2.) 07 Mar 2017 22:11:17
ev take a lie down mate you must be knackered lol.
3.) 07 Mar 2017 22:23:42
- people who write long as hell posts on forums 😉
4.) 08 Mar 2017 04:16:19
- people who say "It's not Soccer, it's Football"
5.) 08 Mar 2017 07:16:12
- internationals
- international qualifiers
- when a manager gets sacked and all off a sudden the team start winning again.
6.) 08 Mar 2017 07:33:20
Op people that start lists then don't finish them.
7.) 08 Mar 2017 07:52:08
Sevco.
8.) 08 Mar 2017 15:25:00
The best of all, people who really should not write lists. Thank goodness Ev was in a good mood when the list was written. ðŸ‘.
24 Feb 2017 00:50:33
I wasn't brought up to be a Celtic fan, I was forced to be a Dundee fan by my Grandfather when at the age of 8 i got fed up being called a 'bad luck charm' cos Dundee were rotten. Paul Mcstay was the best player I had seen, I liked Pat Bonner and i liked the tops and from then on it was a case of demanding the green and yellow CR Smith goalie top from my mother and no looking back. Although I did start supporting just as 9 in a row was at title number 1. so maybe I was a bad luck charm at the time.
Because I chose Celtic and it chose me (Then one of the Old Firm. peace be upon it) it became almost inevitable that I had to learn a bit more about British and Irish history and struggles, Regality and religious intolerances especially between the now 3 football sides and form my own views on what right and wrong and who i think was right or wrong and when ( to put it all exceptionally lightly and gloss over a hell of a lot of the background, I'm sure everyone knows to what i refer) .
This decision is not something I have ever felt the need to associate with my choice of football club even though some of what i learned and accepted correct for my life view came through being part of this support. I know circumstances are vastly different and how deep rooted emotions are when you have been directly affected by the historical struggles. Does this mean we should keep this deep seated bond or hatred running through into a sport?
This leads me to a question that has always troubled me. How and why is a football club a focal point for so many peoples religious views and political struggles?
I know people of similar backgrounds and mindsets, religions or political affiliations will migrate together and this forms a strong part of the bonds that both created our club and is its lifeblood today and it is the same for those that supported both Rangerses.
Do some of us attach too much totemistic dependency on a football Club? For me sport is an escape, always has been. Its always been a small glimmer of hope in a world going more mind numbingly tonto every minute. The SFA/ FIFA/ UEFA have been doing a fine job at disillusionment there though.
Do i need sport to help me validate my opinions about other things in life? Do i need to use it to carry on the battles being had out with? or to simply get it up the other lot (in a non sporting sense) ? Should i need to use it as another way to get back at Protestants or Catholics for mocking me, threatening me, beating me, killing my family and keep the age old feuds running into another aspect of life? Should we not see sport as a way to escape the awful awful things we as a race can do to each other for simply having opposing viewpoints? . Yes some of these wounds will never be healed and loved ones and innocent bystanders not brought back but why carry it on to a football game?
So how does this relate to sport? and why do some feel it is the best place to show their political and religious colours as well as their sporting ones? i know, i know, i'm bringing it up on a sports forum, but it seems as good a place as any to get a views to something that has always bugged me.
Am i just being some sort of new age hippy 'Cant we all just get along'? or trying to oversimplify hundreds of years of pent up hatred and mistrust? that's for you to decide. Will we ever be able to get to a purely sporting rivalry and relationship where one guy just happens to support a team in a different colour and that's the end of it apart from banter about how rubbish said team is etc? Although things are generally better than they ever have been in terms of the troubles that have plagued our club and the Rangerses maybe its time for a lot of folk to take the grievances and hatred out of the stands. but maybe because we have it in the stands its actually helping off them in many areas? .
aye ok maybe i should just get my coat.
1.) 24 Feb 2017 12:22:40
Evinguu you are going back to your long winded posts again, I can see Wee Pat getting in touch lol.
2.) 24 Feb 2017 14:01:56
Well i did put up an offer a wee while ago for folk to pay me to shut up, so I assumed absolutely everone just really really loves a lengthy rambling post which often contradicts and repeats itself.
You won't be surprised but plenty more where that came from.
Im no feart o Wee Pat. he is a pussycat really 😀😀.
3.) 24 Feb 2017 14:49:20
jeezo take a wee lie doon mate you must be knackered lol.
4.) 24 Feb 2017 19:23:34
Evinguu in the old days of carrier pigeons to send messages, I think u would need a Pterodactyl lol.
21 Feb 2017 22:25:30
Well i like the thinking beheind our proposed developments, think there's more to come too, remember seeing larger scale ideas for the triangle in the past with more shops and restaurants etc planned.
Just hope they don't go with really cheesy names for things and insist on Celtic/ football themed rnames for everything or even renames for existing chains (they will though)
Hoopy The Huddlehounds bar and grill
Brendans Bistro
Delias Discotheque
Bobo's hard play area (need something for the kids)
Mind the 'Gap'
Scotty 'McDonalds'
Henrik the 'Burger King'
Lawells crazy paving golf (heated of course)
Boots
So anyone here got any good ideas for names of the proposed hotel, suites or other things we may add in the future? Im sure you will and they will be funnier and better than mine.
1.) 21 Feb 2017 23:53:47
There should defo be a Hun-e-moonbeams suite. that being the toilets.
2.) 22 Feb 2017 04:26:13
Bar - Jock's Steins
Museum - The Loovens
Fraser Quasar
Hartson's all-you-can-eat Buffet
10 (in a row) pin bowling
Naylor's Nails (for the women)
Perhaps a male grooming salon just called Naka's
Struggling here, hows about instead of The Four Seasons we keep adjusting the hotel accordingly to how many we've gone on the trot as champs.
3.) 22 Feb 2017 12:18:11
Saw a funny one online today as a suggestion for the hotel name - The RAdisson. Alternatively, as I don't think that would be a goer somehow, my favourite name suggestion so far is Hotel Paradiso. Any favourites or suggestions?
4.) 22 Feb 2017 15:07:15
Frankie Bhoy and Lenny's.
{Ed007's Note - I'd simply call it The Kerins from Brother Walfrid's real name. Sounds quite classy imo and still Celtic related. If we're going to get the best out of it we don't want it called something too tacky or commercialised.
Even the origin of the name would be a good way of getting every person that stays there reading something about Brother Walfrid and why/how the Club were founded.}
5.) 22 Feb 2017 15:42:44
So you don't fancy Club TropiDiCanio's Ed. The other lot could always have Hotel Cantafordia.
{Ed007's Note - They're planning to put bunk beds in a hut and promote it as The World's Most Successful Youth Hostel. Are you old enough to remember Auf Wiedersehen, Pet?}
6.) 22 Feb 2017 16:04:48
A bit before my time Ed I'd have been watching Dungeons and Dragons or Centurions. Totally agree with what you are saying hope the name has a touch of class to it, something historical.
{Ed007's Note - Dungeons and Dragons is THE best cartoon ever made from back in those days, closely followed by Dogtanian. Only The Simpsons and Family Guy are better.}
7.) 22 Feb 2017 16:25:21
Dogtanian was a classic. character in that reminds me of Snoop Dog. Still scratching the head at that Moomins what were they all about.
{Ed007's Note -
8.) 22 Feb 2017 16:35:05
They freak me out i'm going to have to watch an episode of Pigeon Street now.
{Ed007's Note - I can't remember that, I'll need to look it up.}
9.) 22 Feb 2017 21:53:25
STAN your playing a blinder 'Frankie Bhoys and Lennys' and 'Hotel Cantafordio' are crackers. What about 'The Moanashelick Hotel' ðŸ‘😂ðŸ€.
10.) 23 Feb 2017 11:24:12
Club TropiDiCanio
BRILLIANT! :-)
HH.
31 Jan 2017 23:58:52
i heard there's a last minute deal to let dallas go for one of his dads jokes and a funny handshake! will be confirmed soon.
Ohh I can see this going down well with some of the anonymous ones ( rich from me considering I am mostly anonymous on this site these days) so I shall start the calls of derision now. what about freedom of speech Ed? you should change your name to DasFuhrer007 :)
{Ed007's Note - I've been called worse than that!}
Haha was it not some sort of dating site. Undeaddating.com or something? That piece of scrubland has had some plans attached to it in recent years!
Anyways I cannot possibly see how anything that link explains would make them unwelcome amongst an element of our support :) {Ed007's Note - I can't remember what it was but the fact they considered it was enough... Or was that another prank they fell for?}
Mr Ed the mole I wonder who the Guinness smart erse was indeed? I do have to admit though they would make a good sponsor for us!
Im all for a little bit of extra revenue for the club so its an I don't mind from me. so long as they don't take stupid ideas from the likes of the Nashville Predators and call it the gaylord entertainment arena like theirs used to be called then I would be happy enough. {Ed007's Note - Remember they wanted to paint Ibrox pink??? I always thought a CFC top with a Guinness harp on it would look amazing. The April Fool's joke prank was brought up the other week and my friend sent me this link, I would bet that some sections of our support would have a problem with it happening:
www.goo.gl/VbQD3Y
03 Jun 2021 21:43:02
Well hello to you too! Been a while. think i've been away long enough to have banked up a decent word count allocation to let off some rants!
Hope you been keeping well? Liking the podcast idea, need to get caught up on em! Well done to all involved getting that up n running!
{Ed007's Note - Cheers mate, I'm doing OK thanks and I hope you are too. The podcasts are going well and if you ever fancy a rant on them let me know and we'll get it sorted.}
03 Jun 2021 21:23:31
Gotta agree with Ed007, don't think he would give a damn. Sadly in my humble little opinion I see Jack Hendry as just another in a long line of young/ youngish players at Celtic who either get signed in from elsewhere or “come through†the youth ‘setup’ with no real path of development/ plan ahead of them.
{Ed007's Note - Hi mate, it's good to see you posting ðŸ‘
26 Oct 2017 23:50:33
Timalloy, that is short by my standards, I could have gone on as well you know.
Kev. I’m not saying he should be one out on loan just using as an example. But have not seen it mentioned myself that he needs it.
Ed now that is what I call thinking, need a new 6 mil right back who can also play centre mid.
23 Oct 2017 21:13:27
So does this mean that we are the people now?
09 Sep 2017 12:40:25
Stephbhoy2, wish I had something stronger than ciggys to smoke, you offering?
Ed, jeezo, I'm not sure if it's been missed or if these comments are also just piss taking.
But just in case you guys ain't joking. In my currently distraught state I have cut my card up into 1000 pieces, pissed on it, jumped up and down on it till I got blisters, melted it back together again, jumped on it some more and placed it conscientiously in the plastics recycling bin.