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25 Apr 2024 09:01:07
This is a list of players that should be deemed not good enough IMO and moved on.

siegrist
bain
nawrocki
lagerbielke
kobayashi
bernebei
montgomery
holm
kwon
mccarthy
shaw
haksabanovic
forrest
mikey j
yang
tilio
kenny
oh

Thats 18 players on the books that need moved on ASAP
Nearly a full squad of players where the shirt is too heavy for. Just a reminder of how bad our recruitment has been lately (ill exclude forrest as he's been an excellent servent but is still best moving on)
Theres maybe another 3 or 4 still to prove themselves.
Id guess we would do well to get £10/ 15m for the lot and possibly £100/ 150k freed up on wages.
With Hart retiring, and oriley moving on for likely £30m plus and the £10m we got for abada that could easily open the door for us to spend £60m and have £200k on wages freed up.
This should allow us 5 players around 12m and pay them 40k pw. Add a couple of experienced players on loan and bring in a couple of youngsters like lennon miller and promote a couple of youth like lawal, kelly and frame.

We have senior squad of almost 40 which is ridiculous. Most clubs have about 25.

Most probably won't agree with this post but quality over quantity is a must going forward. We wouldn't even have to touch the stockpile of cash we have up lawalls arse.
The hardest part will be moving the dross on which could take years unfortunately.

25 Apr 2024 09:21:39
It’s time, these guys have been building up for a few seasons, most of them know that the gravy train is up here and will be actively looking already, the worrying thing are the ones recently signed on 4/ 5 year deals who might just be tempted to sit out another season or 2 because they won’t be finding the same money elsewhere.

25 Apr 2024 09:23:45
Forrest not good enough. Lucky that wasn't the case on semi final day!

25 Apr 2024 09:43:47
They used to say an ideal squad had two quality players for every position and its abundantly clear we are way off that formula.
Supporters would agree with the majority of that list and maybe add or subtract a couple here and there. Unfortunately, a quick clear-out seems unlikely, as we would need full co-operation of the players, numerous interested clubs and a recruitment team that was top notch in negotiations, efficient wheeling and dealing and scouting and this season has shown us to be severely lacking in that department.
However, I can see us getting shot of a few who have one foot out the door already and taking a financial hit on a couple of others, so it would be a start. One things for sure, we can't have another nightmare summer 'window' and winning the title is a priority.

25 Apr 2024 11:12:39
Hi All hope you are well. Good post DerryTim. Out of those 18 I would keep;

Nawrocki
Monty- (if carrer threatening injury is ok)
Holm - I think has loads of potential, a loan might be good
kwon -needs a fair crack at it, and looks promising on his loan
forest - (for a year) ,
Mikey J -if his confidence lasts
Yang -if we keep him for the right Oh - same as holm, a loan might be good
tilio - needs a crack at it, poss loan

I'm going to add vata to the list, sign him up.

25 Apr 2024 13:30:49
Dont forget the possible frimpong money.

24 Apr 2024 21:38:35
With our wingers all struggling badly should we start with Idah and Kyogo and add an extra man in midfield (Bernardo or Iwata) ? Or give Vata a run as he can't be any worse than Yang or Palma.

25 Apr 2024 05:03:12
Kyogo hasn’t scored a league goal away from home in the last 6 months.
So I would start with Idah on Sunday at Dundee.

But Kyogo has a brilliant scoring record against Hearts and Sevco and both games are at Celtic Park.
I would start Kyogo in those games.

Both players will get game time in all our games if available, whether it’s 60 minutes from the start or 30 minutes off the bench.

Both strikers will have a massive part to play between now and the end of the season.

25 Apr 2024 07:14:28
Buzz the biggest problem with kyogo this season for me is the severe lack of proper service to the wee man. kyogo has more than proven he bang the goals in for us, unfortunately right now we've what 5/ 6 wingers or so called wingers in our books, and the harsh reality is you couldn't make a quality one out the the 5or 6 put together. service to our strikers all season has been abysmal.

25 Apr 2024 07:59:23
I agree Gerry, our main problem areas have been back 4 and wingers.

This is weird as I think some of our layers in these positions are good players. This mens they are either low on confidence or not suited to Brendan's system.

I have also been saying for ages that Kyogo needs a central midfielder who has the vision and technical ability to spot kyogos runs and play him in.

25 Apr 2024 08:11:39
Our Celtic wingers don't take a defender on, they have to cut back and pass the ball, Palma has scored some goals, but him and Kuhn, and Yang, as Garryc1977 has said the service to our stikers this season has not been good, and the corner kicks, and free kicks, has been poor also, playing short corners, Celtic don't seem to have players that will head a ball.

24 Apr 2024 17:22:35
Adam idah. bojan miovski. Mathias kvinsgaard or a. n. other or others or combination by selling kyogo?

24 Apr 2024 18:37:39
The Danish lad has been doing the rounds or a few years.

24 Apr 2024 20:26:57
Kyogo has certainly lost something this season, whether it's the system, the lack of service, mediocre wide players or opponents are stopping him any way they can.
Personally, I think the team does not react enough to his movement and he could benefit from being on the left of front three or alternatively central with Maeda and Forrest either side if avail.

24 Apr 2024 21:33:09
Onceabhoy4,Kyogo has been starved of service for most of the season, I can’t believe any fan would even contemplate selling him.

{Ed007's Note - Never mind contemplating it, I'm actively hoping and praying for it. Look at the sitters he's missed this season and say he isn't getting the service.
The thought of going into the CL with McGregor as our CDM and Kyogo as our main striker should be striking fear into the heart of every Celtic supporter!}

24 Apr 2024 23:04:33
The lack of service to Kyogo, doesn’t tell the whole story, he hasn’t got the figures to demand better service this season . Last two seasons he was scoring fairly frequently and often enough scoring goals out of nothing . This season he isn’t finding the space like other two seasons, matching the opportunity there is to play him in and he isn’t as deadly at finishing chances . Just last Saturday he robbed a defender 25 yards from goal and couldn’t beat goalie from inside box . He and Celtic we’re lucky Kuhn had made a good run to score rebound .

24 Apr 2024 23:45:43
Realistically who is going to buy kyogo? And would he be willing to leave for the level of clubs that would be interested?

24 Apr 2024 13:34:17
Read Onceabhoy4 and agree with his comments but surely if BR is constrained by the suspended ban for speaking out surely the supporters and the club are not I'm sure that if the celtic support were to be constantly on Cheatin Beatons back the for any dodgy decision then I would expect the club to back them up the same way the supporters back the club . I will bet Sevco (sky) will have a comment to make along with bfkb .

24 Apr 2024 15:24:19
I sincerely expect the Celtic support to give him 'the message' and you can be sure the SFA knew exactly what they were doing in allocating Beaton two consecutive SPL away games in 21 days and not a home game because of the reduced Celtic attendance.
They really do put so much effort into their conniving bigotry.

24 Apr 2024 15:39:43
It has been mentioned before if only we had someone with the same attitude as Fergus McCann, that would stick up for Celtic Football Club.

24 Apr 2024 16:45:15
We're above greeting about refs!

24 Apr 2024 21:02:59
Fergus Mc Cann our hero, had to fight the SFA and SMSM every step of the way . Media in Scotland hated him and compared him to the most evil men in the world that time. Very many of our supporters hated him too and unbelievably on Ist Aug 1998 as Fergus raised the flag as Champions for ist time in 10 yrs, he was loudly booed. This was a new level of hatred to a winning owner . Families were divided and as years passed the fans that booed him the loudest probably praise him the most . Eventually he became a Celtic hero.

{Ed007's Note - Fans seem to forget that McCann foisted Peter McLean with his crazy Bhoys Against Bigotry campaign and Jock Brown on us, he went back on promises he made to players, agents, Tommy Burns and Wim Jansen while micro-managing the Club in a way that would have the support forming a lynch mob if it was Peter Lawwell doing it.
In 1995 McCann took £36k as a salary + benefits, that more than doubled in 1996 to £76k + benefits.
What is so different about the way the Club is ran to day than it was under McCann?

A HUGE disconnect between the people running the Club and the support - check.
Lack of investment & declining standards in the squad - check.
Managers not being backed - check.
Footballing men (Davie Hay) been overruled by bean counters - check.
Directors making serious coin - check.

It wasn't all rainbows and unicorns under McCann's time at Celtic, there were many problems that have carried on under DD,}

24 Apr 2024 23:18:29
Winning the slow registration of G Cadette with Farry having to resign is what people think of when thinking of Fergus McCann .
He was so hard - hearted he converted Celtic from a badly run club, to a club with fine Financial standing and a wreck of a stadium to a modern up to date stadium of which club and fans could be proud of .
I agree with what Ed 007, F Mc C tactics and financial dealings were probably very necessary then .
There is no doubt he is likely to congratulate DD every year on what he sees as a job done well . However most us on here, while we might agree with what Mc Cann did, we recognise there is now a need to loosen up purse strings, form a partnership with a fan group that can represent many of fans .
As I said before we can’t change Board but we can approach Board in a friendly manner to try to work with Board.

25 Apr 2024 01:13:36
Some pretty fair points about McCann, Ed. The context of why he was there to begin with and what led up to that means his time is remembered with rose-tinted specs to an extent. Lawwell on the other hand came in as CEO during a period where success was the norm. There are a lot of parallels between the two and how they conduct their business. They're both egotistical, stubborn, meddlesome and tighter than two coats of paint. Although they both took plenty of money out of Celtic, Fergus will always be revered as the man who saved the club.

{Ed007's Note - To be fair to Lawwell he came in in 2003 while MON was spending money willy-nilly and Rangers were spending money that wasn't theirs to spend. He then brought in Gordon Strachan who helped massively to get the finances back under control while still winning titles AND getting to the knock-out stages of the CL while spending a fraction of what MON had been doing.
In my opinion Peter Lawwell hadn't done much wrong until John Park left in 2016.}

24 Apr 2024 12:10:17
With Beaton being the referee on suday, does anyone think he will referee this game the same as he refereed our last game against sevco, no fouls against Dundee in the first 20 mins or so, give fouls against Celtic, so Celtic don't get allowed to get there passing game going, book 3 Celtic players in the 1st Half of the game, or is this tactic by him only for Celtic v sevco games.

24 Apr 2024 13:00:50
That's what most of us are expecting and with Sevco playing first, there is a strong chance we will be level on points. The manager and players will be of the same opinion, as many referees do similar.
The SFA know BR won't utter a stutter or he may be liable to miss the Sevco game. It's therefor up to the players to try and play as they can (at pace) and above all take their chances. We have shown for decades that Celtic can overcome cheats and corruption.

24 Apr 2024 13:27:17
I’m sure Brendan will have his players fired up in the correct manner.
Not in the way, to give Beaton a derision to make against us.

Play the Celtic Way and Beaton won’t enter any calculations.

24 Apr 2024 13:31:03
Hail Hail.