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22 Apr 2014 18:06:48
Mjallby standing down as asst at the end of the season according to the Celtic Fb page!

HamiltonBhoy

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I would make Gary Parker the assistant, and bring in a new first team coach, someone who isn't a former Martin O'Neil player, someone with new/fresh ideas, and who can teach the players to pass the ball. Maybe someone from Spain/holland, even South America. Or if we go for someone closer to home, what about someone like Steve Clarke or Glen Hoddle - I want a new approach.

Paul1

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Gutted about this. I've had the belief that he'd make a cracking manager one day, especially with him stepping in to Lennon's shoes when he got banned the other year. Good luck to the big man. Clarke would be a good appointment but I expect he'll be looking for a managers job. Maybe Moyes could be our new assistant? :)

kevslug

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Iv got a theory that the big man wants the job when NL leaves this summer and has been told no! Just a theory lol.

SOS BHOY

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Chris Sutton :)

HamiltonBhoy

{Ed007's Note - What about promoting John Kennedy?}

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I think we need an attack-minded guy on the backroom staff mate. Mowbray's (DF) team was Lennon (DM), Grant (MF), Venus (CB) and Woods (GK). Lennon's backroom staff are Mjallby (CB), Parker (MF) and McGrain (RB). I think it shines through at times in the style we play, so I'd like to see us mix it up a bit!

HamiltonBhoy

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What has a coaches position when he played got to do with his style of play lol. many a defender has turned out to be a very attacking coach. Bruce (HUll) Pellegrini to name but 2 are very attack minded. And if you look at the new club their manager manager was all time top scorer at his former club and only plays 1 up front against part timers lol.

rayman

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Lennon said the likes of Balde, Fridjonsson, etc were works in progress and getting tidied up round the edges in training. Who's teaching them how to score goals or get into the right space? Ex-DM, Lennon? Ex-CB, Mjallby? Ex-MF, Parker? Ex-RB, McGrain? Ex-GK, Woods? Ex-RB, McCart? Ex-GK, Krivokapic? None of these guys were famous for putting the ball in the net. They're all goalkeepers, defenders and defensive midfielders! Ps, what does Parker bring to Celtic? He just seems like one of Lennon's pals who tags along. Comes across the kind of seedy guy you see drinking in the boozer himself on a Saturday afternoon!

HamiltonBhoy

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20 Apr 2014 06:17:44
We're in for Nick Powell. Very excited about this one.

JimTim

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I wouldn't get too excited. Probably just a loan move.

BigBhoy

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I won't hold my breath. Another whopper from Peter Lie-well.

DN30

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20 Apr 2014 21:04:21
We'll be linked to many more in the next few weeks, incidently season ticket re-newals sent out this week!

...Stevie

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Shouldn't have got too excited at all! A newspaper saying we have no chance.

JimTim

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I actually think there could be something in this one, I would suspect Man U are after one of our players and would consider as part of deal, especially as Man U will have no Champions league money next year

Mickey Spillane

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@DN30 the press print crap and even this is Lawwells fault he really should be sacked though for causin WW2 and sinking the titanic lol.

rayman

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I don't reckon we need a Man Unt cast off who is not really doing much with WBA (I think!) We got plenty young strikers warming the bench. If it's a CL striker we are after we should finally be splashing £6m+ on one. It's time to see this cash we have under our bed. The currents would be spewing, especially since they are behind in their salary this month. TICK TOCK AGAIN!

HH

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ShottsBhoy

{Ed007's Note - Powell is at Wigan and plays as an AM, he is head and shoulders above anyone in the SPFL except maybe Commons, but he has just turned 20. He also scored 3 goals in 6 matches in this year's Europa League campaign.
NL has been tracking him since he was at Crewe (he watches Crewe as much as possible simply because they have arguably the best youth academy in England) and tried to sign him on loan last summer.
If AF had remained Utd manager Powell would never have been sent out on loan and Mata would never have been signed, I just can't see us signing him, if he leaves Utd it will be to an EPL team.}

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@rayman your right lol

DN30

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I'd be delighted if we got Powell, had hoped we'd try and get him while he was still at Crewe (considering Lennon does go to watch them a lot we seem to miss out on a lot of their players when they do move on!)

Him and Commons playing behind a more natural forward would bring us lots of goals.

kevslug

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19 Apr 2014 11:43:28
Celtic XI v Motherwell: Forster; Herron, Ambrose, van Dijk, Izaguirre; Brown, Kayal, Johansen, Commons; Samaras, Stokes

Subs: Zaluska, Balde, Pukki, Henderson, Fridjonsson, O'Connell, Griffiths

Ed007

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17 Apr 2014 16:37:26
Fraser Forster, Virgil van Dijk, Kris Commons + Kris Boyd have been nominated for the PFA Scotland Premiership POYT award; Stuart Armstrong, Ryan Gauld, Andrew Robertson + Stevie May have been nominated for the YPOTY award.

HamiltonBhoy

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Stuart Armstrong and Kris Commons for me!

NE Gooner

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15 Apr 2014 16:39:21
Celtic are looking at Raoul Loe from Osasuna.

Does anyone know how good this player is?

BigBhoy

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Pretty decent. For a big lad he can play a bit. Pretty much the kind of midfielder I'd like us to sign actually. Was hoping for slightly better though. I mean, at 25 he's not playing for Cameroon, I think we can do better. It would be another signing we'd be hoping worked out.

JimTim

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We don't need another defensive mid, Lennon must have some sort of fetish for DM's because he was one - He's signed Juarez, Kayal, Wanyama, Biton and others in this position, he also turned Ledley in to one. We need wingers + a playmaker, everyone can see that so why can't Lennon?!

HamiltonBhoy

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Certainly agree with your prioritisation Hamilton, I'm not going to deny I think we missed Wanyamas presence in Europe though. He hasn't been replaced. There's a reason Wanyama is a £12m player and this lad is £2m. Their quality. I don't really have Biton down as a CDM the way Wanyama was breaking up play, he's more just a CM who prefers to attack (even his own words). I was critical of Bitons signing at the time, and I have warmed to him a fair bit, but he's certainly been a step backwards so far from Wanyama.

JimTim

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I do agree with us needing to look more at wingers and attacking mids but we have badly missed wanyama big time. We miss his height, power, strength, and overall composure to stop and break up attacks which tbh none of our midfielders possess, biton would only come close with his height but he, s more tactical than phsyical which is needed here.
we made wanyama a 12m player by developing him and i'm sure we could do it again, I would definetely go for this boy from osasuna if celtic are serious as he's still only 25 and ticks all the boxes.
Alfred Ndiaye from sunderland is another who I read is available for 2m euros and also fits the bill
nevertheless we need this type of player if we want to be successful in europe hence why we weren't this season

Greenbhoy67

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A player I wouldn't mind seeing us signing is Montpellier's Benjamin Stambouli, a DM who would probably cost us around £3.5-4m but if he goes to the World Cup with France + performs then his value will sky rocket. Another would be Daniele Baselli from Atalanta who plays at CM.

HamiltonBhoy

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14 Apr 2014 15:15:15

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Ed007

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bobbylennoxbhoy

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13 Apr 2014 11:00:22
With commons being linked with Leicster next season anyone think he'd be tempted with one last big pay day and how much would we get if he went?

ReeceyBhoy7

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Commons is good for celtic in the sfl but could you see him playing in epl with his current level of fitness?

Jim1972

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Commons have no intention of going to anywhere . He and his wife are both very happy and are involved in welcoming every foreign player and their wives or girlfriends to Celtic

Chris02

{Ed007's Note - We wouldn't get any fee for Commons, his deal is up in the summer and CFC have only offered a one year extension so far. There are murmurings that the reason he hasn't signed yet is he isn't too happy about it being only for a year and is looking for the security a longer deal brings. The Leicester story came from someone close to his situation and will probably be used as a bargaining tool by his agent, never say never in football.}

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I wouldn't mind if commons left. Not that I don't like him, just I feel that our number 10 should be a creator, not someone who is always looking to score. Commons goals are great in the spl but he doesn't suit most formations that aren't based around him and this becomes and issue in europe. Our strikers should be getting the goals he does, tbh, rendering him relatively needless. I would much prefer Ki than commons

edinbhoy

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Edin he certainly didn't cut the mustard in Europe. After the first two group games I was having a convo with a mate and we couldn't decide if he should have been dropped (and perhaps change systems), or, as one of our most effective and important players, should continue his role in a 4231/451. Bit of a conundrum. Are we brave/naive enough to play a 442 diamond in Europe? Do we have the quality? End of the day, a player should be brought in for that area of the park regardless of Commons staying or not; if he does leave then obviously two in. This way, we can change personnel/systems much easier.

JimTim

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If he did leave I would hope we went for a more creative attacking midfielder with vision for a pass to cut open opposition defence's for me commons doesn't do that enough and tries to shoot too often perhaps rogic could even fit the role better

big.D

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I can't believe what I'm reading! Our fans are never happy! So u lot have no problem if out top scorer and one of our best players leaves for nothing? Wow! The full team could barely put the ball in the net in the cl so why don't we just let them all go? We need a CAM to set up more goals rather than score the goals? Absolutely ridiculous!

SOS BHOY

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Commons is one of our most skilful players and although he can be inconsistent and ineffective in some games; his goals have been very important this season.
I agree, we really need more creativity, pace and flair in the team and obviously more class if we are to improve in Europe.
The current team has very, very few players that we would really miss, as long as better quality replacements were brought in.
We must not replace anyone with the mediocrity of past seasons or we will continue to deteriorate in the CL.

JJ

JungleJim

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Commons has had an ok season I wouldn't say he's our best player or our most skilful I wouldn't lose any sleep if he went I think some fans have blinkers on cause he's our top scorer this year I've a bit of a bias towards him for his comments about ambrose after the juve game am sorry if that sounds petty but I've always been told you win as a team and lose as a team I have no time for people like commons who seem like they are only in it for personal accolades I may be wrong about him in the last sentence but I will never look past the comments about ambrose how did the rest of you feel with that what's your thoughts on it ed

Hoopybhoy

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Not saying I am unhappy with him, I think he has been great but we can't improve much further with him as the focal point of our team. he isn't very flexible as a player and dsnt bring the best out of others, only himself. But tbf he would be low down on my list of people who need moved on. I think a centre half and striker are of greater concern, hopefully both will come from youth player, eg fraser/watt/atajic.

edinbhoy

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11 Apr 2014 10:34:26
ed wits happening bud heard that celtic are to ignite interest in snoddgrass what are the chances mate also can u clear this up my brother sayed to me on the spfl web site it only says wee have two qualifiers this year but am sure its three?

wee craigy white

{Ed007's Note - We tried to sign Snodgrass in January. The player told a third party, who then contacted CFC, that he wanted to move back to Scotland if CFC and Leeds could agree a fee. The clubs couldn't agree at the time but it wouldn't surprise me to see the move revived this summer.
As for the CL we have three rounds of qualifiers next season, the same as this year. We enter at the second qualifying round (Scotland is ranked 24), after that there is the 3rd qualifying round and then the play-off round.

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11 Apr 2014 19:44:09
Spotted your deliberate mistake ed .Snoddy plays for Norwich no Leeds. lol

...Stevie

{Ed007's Note - I never even noticed that, well done.}

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12 Apr 2014 11:56:54
Your brother may be getting confused with the fact that we have two qualifiers being played at Murrayfield. If we make it to the third then it's back at CP, if I'm not mistaken.

Lyons82

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09 Apr 2014 13:57:33
Celtic had scouts in Portugal again on Monday night, at the Benfica vs Rio Ave game. That's the 5th or 6th time scouts have watched Benfica.

Anyone any idea of who it could be?

UA1967

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Filip djuricic?

DN30

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Hopefully trying to look at Djuricic yes. Did he play?The past two times we've been over he didn't.

JimTim

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@JimTim He came on with 10-15 mins to go at the end of the game, when Benfica had already wrapped up a 4-0 win. Sounds exactly the kind of player Lennon would sign to sit on the bench 80% of the season!

HamiltonBhoy

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08 Apr 2014 13:41:05

There is a new poll up:

What action do you think the club should take against Leigh Griffiths?Vote here

Ed007

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In my opinion, if the club sack Griffiths they will be hounded by the MSM but if they just fine him we'll be accused of not doing enough. Lennon jumping in both feet first last Friday and saying any form of discrimination would result in a player losing their job may backfire and make him look like a tool yet again. The route I'd go down is trying to educate Griffiths. Hit him wi a heavy fine, say 4 weeks. Also tell him he has to work closely with some form of local refugees group or Antiracism campaign. If he refuses, then sack him!

HamiltonBhoy

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Ed007 me and you have squabbled in the past over griffiths! I was for giving him a chance . On field I have no complaints! Off field I am now seeing a side you were obviously more educated than me on . I however feel he has been punished already for the offence . IMO what he done is no worse than what you would hear every Saturday down the gallowgate! Friendly banter! Don't remember this much being made of Findlay singing on camera or the joke about the smokey room and another pope dying? If he was a normal supporter we would never have even heard about it! Just the media trying to make Celtic look bad while that mob slither from one bad news to the next!

Delbhoy1888

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@Delbhoy1888 Friendly banter? I can assure you if I heard anyone down the Gallowgate singing about someone being a refugee I'd have a polite word in their ear, if they continued then things wouldn't be so polite, I'd skelp them for it. There's no need for racist, bigoted or derogatory comments like this in modern society and I defo wouldn't class it as friendly banter!

HamiltonBhoy

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The days of sacking players is over too much money involved like it or not, Griffiths is daft, but other players have done much worse than that and survived . Just because they earn a lot of money does not give them brains, and most of the people who are offended think nothing of singing offensive songs themselves, let he who has not sinned cast the first stone and all that .I agree he should not have been signed in the first place, an accident waiting to happen, hopefully this might be the wake up call eh . how many clichés in there?. not the one who plays for Man City

col

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@hamiltonbhoy I'm not saying I condone it! Mearly we have all done it! Have you never belted out a few verses of go on home British soldiers or told a Scottish English and Irishman joke? In the video he is jumping up and down with the fans "yes" can you hear griffiths himself saying anything "no" . You must have got many a slapping walking into bar 67 or bairds bar and telling people to pipe it down. Heaven forbid the man got caught up in the moment, and actually enjoyed himself with his mates!

Delbhoy1888

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I think i’m actually a wee bit in shock that some Celtic fans don’t fully understand the implications of what Griffiths is caught up in here.

Do we really know nothing about the Club at all?

For those trying their best to justify this debacle, I don’t want to hear another complaint about Racism in any form including the Famine song or the Board being out of touch with the Club’s roots.

For goodness sake, we’ve also got the Chief Executive of the Scottish Refugee Council commenting on the issue:-

'It shows Scotland still has a long way to go in the battle against prejudice and hatred'

Mrs E

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Well said DB1888, totally agree with you at the end of the day this has been blown out of all proportion. Me and my pals when we watch a Celtic game on the telly we still sing the old songs, the same as the ones we all sang many moons ago. It is all banter with no ill feeling meant at all. HB I would love to see you skelping fellow Tims in Bairds Bar for upsetting not like minded folk, you would last about 3 minuites ya tube. Hail Hail

TamTimTic

{Ed007's Note - Bairds has been closed down.}

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@ed007 bairds was used as an example lol hoops bar emerald 67 or what ever they are called same songs! Mrs e! Let he without sin cast the first stone! Have you never sang from the old hymn book? A take it you have always phoned an oriental take away? Never a c****y? Or went to the p***s for some messages or a paper? Th p.c in this country is out of order! Griffiths is guilty of 2 things! 1 enjoying himself away from the lime light of Glasgow 2 being stupid enough to get caught on camera!

Delbhoy1888

{Ed007's Note - Well CFC and NL don't seem to agree with you Del, why else would they have disciplined the player and the club and player apologise to Hearts?
How can the club defend Griffiths against the SFA charges when they have already admitted his guilt by punishing the player?
You better be careful here, remember we aren't allowed to say anything against the club or the manager.
And if you called the Chinese or corner shop owner those names to their face you could be charged by the police, just remember it used to be acceptable to use the N word in everyday life, do you also think it's acceptable to be called names like a 'taig'?
What people need to realise is we need to follow the law on these matters, it's nothing to do with a witch-hunt against CFC players. The precedent has already been set, a Dunfermline fan was fined £200 in 2012 for singing the Rudi Skacel song, he was found guilty of a racially aggravated breach of the peace. Derek Riordan was also forced to apologise for singing the same song.
If found guilty by a court of law Griffiths could find himself getting a Football Banning Order, it won't happen but technically he could be banned from entering any football stadium in Scotland.
It's unbelievable the amount of people who have given the GB abuse over songs and banners, backed the board over disbanding Section 111 yet suddenly they don't see a problem with a player singing a song that goes against everything the club stands for and has been condemned by everyone from judges to our own manager, if anyone knows the effect of racism it's NL or were the bombs and bullets sent to him and others all part of 'the Glasgow banter'?
No CFC supporter should ever think racism of any kind, on any level, is acceptable. As I have said before, people think racism only counts when it's against blacks and Asians, racism is racism regardless of the colour of the person's skin.
For once I am 100% behind the club here and I'm confident they will deal with the situation in the correct manner.}

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Would people here kindly put things into perspective please, look at the facts:-

1) he was out with a few mates
2) He had drink taken
3) He was singing in a pub
4) He joined in for the craic
5) He sang a few tunes he shouldn't have.
6) His mouth obviously functions far quicker than his brain

So he let himself down but as far as I know he's not a member of the KKK or BNP.

He needs to grow up and grow up quickly but I think if he was psychoanalysed by a competent professional they would conclude that he is no more a bigger racist that the average Joe Soap. And whether we like to admit it or not we all have our wee prejudices.

BadBhoy

{Ed007's Note - Would you feel the same if it was a Sevco player singing about being up to their knees in Fenian blood or was it acceptable to you for Bob Malcolm to finish his autograph with FTP under it and Donald Findlay doing his karaoke turn. As far as I know none of them are members of the KKK or BNP either, it's all about the craic though.}

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Honestly Ed I don't care what a Sevco player does, they can sing what they like, it's a reflection on themselves not me or you. As much as I respect your opinion Ed you shouldn't even be contributing to this debate. You despise the lad fullstop and you are entitled to that opinion as much as I am entitled to mine. You are only waiting for him to slip up and ram down our throats the fact that he should never have been signed for Celtic, I get the feeling you'll say "I told ye so" a lot of the time while he's at Celtic.

He was signed for Celtic when the board and the manager knew full well his flaws and his past. They say a leopard does not change his spots so I would say this, It's Griffiths fault he's a person of poor character but it's not his fault he signed for Celtic

BadBhoy

{Ed007's Note - As I have said previously I thought the charge about singing Hearts were going bust was a nonsense but singing a song, that is known to be regarded as racist is another matter altogether.
And FYI I will comment on what ever I want to, you or nobody else can tell me otherwise.
If I will have plenty of opportunities to say 'I told you so', you saying you think I will be proven to be right that the club should never have signed him because of the trouble he will bring? So what's the difference between me saying it or you?}

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@ed007! I think you have read too much into my posts! If you think I am standing up for what he did then my apologies for not making it clearer! I am with you that he was bang out of order being caught singing ang jumping up and down whilst representing our famous club! He has been fined for it! For me that is it! Yes the sfa will punish him also(rightly so) . I was mearly stating that there is not one amongst us that has not used or sang racist words or songs! I tried to post exact same on the zombie page to some un educated fool that said " if that was us the sfa would hammer us" or words to those effect : I stated about Findlay, up to the knees in Fenian blood and the fact that their bile is heard on bbcsport every time they are on! ( wasn't printed though) all I keep saying is WE HAVE ALL DONE IT in some way shape or form! I am not saying its rite Ffs Gordon brown got caught off camera making mistakes! Andy Gary on sly it happens .

Delbhoy1888

{Ed007's Note - Footballers, especially at a club the size of CFC, are under scrutiny 24/7. Griffiths should have known better because a)he has previous for racism and b)it's already well known that the song is seen as racist by the SFA and the law. Ignorance and stupidness is not an acceptable excuse for racism.
You go into a pub or down the Wim Jansen on a Saturday night and guys are in the cubicles snorting coke, does that mean it would be ok for a CFC player to do it, everybody else is so why shouldn't they?}

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I didn't want to burst TTT's wee fantasy bubble Ed. I don't think Bairds had been open longer than 6 months at a time in the last 5-10 years before closing completely at the start of the year. I agree with what you're saying Mrs E. I got ridiculed on Sunday for saying Griffiths should be heavily fined, told to work with a refugee group/antira campaign and if he refuses he should be fired. Reasons for this being he plays for a club constituted for refugees, if he doesn't agree with it then he should hold his silence.

HamiltonBhoy

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09 Apr 2014 16:58:31
Mrs E it's a huge overreaction from the media because it's Griffiths. The song has been sung by hibs fans for years. Not saying it's right but I don't actually believe they sing it with any malice. I take it you've never sang any rebel songs?

HenriksTongue

{Ed007's Note - It has nothing to do with what songs Mrs E or anyone else sang, it is about the song Griffiths sang. My wife's grandfather had some very questionable views towards foreigners, after fighting in WW2 and living through the 60s, 70s and 80s his views were seen as acceptable back then, just like Alf Garnett's and Enoch Powell's were, it doesn't mean they were right.
There used to be a TV sitcom called Love Thy Neighbour where using outright racist and derogatory terms for black people was the main joke, there's a reason it has never been repeated, it would be seen as totally unacceptable in a modern society.
Do you actually know the club's written social charter or social mission? Their stance on this is very clear:

Corporate: Social Mission

Celtic Football Club is for people who want to support a football club that strives for excellence in Scotland and in Europe, is proud of its history, supportive of its local community and seeks to support the following aims: "To maximise all opportunities to disassociate the Club from sectarianism and bigotry of any kind. To promote Celtic as a Club for all people, regardless of gender, age, religion, race or ability."

OR

Corporate: Social Charter
Celtic will act against racism and sectarianism in any form. Celtic will not tolerate actions and language that seek to promote racism and sectarianism. Celtic aims to support the guidelines issued by the Commission for Racial Equality.

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Ed the difference is I was prepared to give the lad a chance, you weren't! I'm still prepared to give him a chance, hopefully this will be the lesson he needs to learn. Have you or your friends ever sang rebel songs at Celtic Park? If so are you all racists? The place is gone so bloody politically correct it's gone beyond a joke! You can't call yer man in noddy a golly wog anymore, we have chalk boards instead of black boards etc. I am prepared to give LG the benefit of the doubt and accept that there was on racist INTENT when he sang about RS. You obviously have got the stubborn streak from your dad, you can take the boy out of Cork but you can't take the Cork from the boy

BadBhoy

{Ed007's Note - Rebel songs are not racist. I think you could do with some education to bring your views and morals into the 21st century, you're stuck in the dark ages and sound more like an Ibrox footsoldier.
So now that you have given Griffiths a chance. he has one court appearance and 3 NoC from the SFA, he's been here just over 2 month, how many more chances will you give him?
You obviously think that he is going to be more trouble than he is worth so why even attempt to make excuses for him...AGAIN!
I take it you have contacted the club to inform them you disagree with their policy regarding racism, that you feel it's only banter if you want to give van Dijk a bit of stick because of his colour. Remember Kayal is an Arabic Muslim, he's fair game for a bit of abuse considering the situation in the Middle East and then there is Nir Biton!!! An Israeli Jew who has served his national service in the IDF, there's a few jokes and songs you could sing about him, it's only a laugh after all.
I'm sure the club will tell you that it's ok and they will give you another chance.
You're another one that thinks because there is no mention of colour it can't be racist, the rest of normal society is glad you're wrong.}

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As far as I know, Celtic was founded at least in part to help a refugee population. Throughout our History we have supported noble causes to do with human rights and have made that a core value of the club. I don't care how good he is, what he did was serious. Final warning and months wages is bare minimum sanction.

Daviebhoy77

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Well davie you are the first person that I know of that has ever referred to our origins using the word refugees.

Jim1972

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We should never have signed him in the first place then we wouldn't be having the debate about a non-footballing subject. shocking

edward71

{Ed007's Note - Spot on Edward, my sentiments exactly. Look at the problems he has caused and he hasn't even been here 3 months.}

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Ed to reply to your last post and correct some innacuracies.

Where have I said that if there is no mention of colour that it isn't racist.

Saying rebel songs are not racist is splitting hairs and I feel you are being hypocritical in saying so.

I gave LG a chance, he gets no more chances from me now. I did not make excuses for him I merely pointed out the probable circumstances leading to the event in question.

I did not contact CFC, I wouldn't waste my breath, a lot of notice they'd take of me anyway. Why would I give one of our players stick because of his colour or religion? Why even suggest that?

I merely disagreed with your assessment of LG and this episode but now you have me as someone lacking education, with low morals, a century behind and a racist apologist.

BadBhoy

{Ed007's Note - Well if the cap fits.}

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It's true though Jim

www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/famine/america.htm

Also:-

The Irish who arrived in Scotland were among the poorest, as those who could scrape together more money headed to Canada and America. During 1848 the average weekly inflow of Irish into Glasgow was estimated at more than 1000, and the figure for January to April of that year was put at 42, 860.

Some of the best-known Famine memorials are in the US, including the Irish Hunger Memorial in Manhattan, New York, and a national monument at Penns Landing, Philadelphia.

Danny Boyle, project manager at the Irish Heritage Foundation, said: 'There was somewhere in the region of 30,000 Irish immigrants resident in Scotland before the onset of the An Gorta Mor in 1845-50. By 1878 there were 332,000. Irish immigration had a humongous impact on the personality and nature of the city.

The multi-generational Irish community are part of the fabric of the city and the country as are all immigrants and refugees who have fled poverty, war, exploitation and famine in more recent times'

Mrs E

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"If the cap fits", believe you me Ed, you don't want to go there.

Your contribution to this topic and to anything regarding LG has been nothing but vexatious bile. If it was Scott Brown who got caught singing the same song would you be so forthright in your condemnation.

Remember you are the person who referred to Kris Commons a few seasons ago as "an utter disgrace". Where would be be without him now. So stop acting the langer and try be a bit more unbiased.

BadBhoy

{Ed007's Note - It wasn't Scott Brown though was it so that is another immaterial point you've made.
I stick by what I said about Commons, the club had serious grounds to sack him and I can assure you he would have struggled to be signed by any other club. So what's your point?
I know you will stick up for anyone going by the morals you have shown in this thread. It's no wonder the club's reputation is in the gutter with players like Griffiths playing for us and people like you supporting racism.}

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Refugee

1680s, from French refugié, noun use of past participle of refugier "to take shelter, protect, " from Old French refuge (see refuge). First applied to French Huguenots who migrated after the revocation (1685) of the Edict of Nantes. The word meant "one seeking asylum, " till 1914, when it evolved to mean "one fleeing home" (first applied in this sense to civilians in Flanders heading west to escape fighting in World War I). In Australian slang from World War II, reffo.

BadBhoy

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Badbhoy, I was not going to take part in this debate but feel I have to ask, why you think the ed is being hypocritical when he state's that rebel song's are not racist? Wolfe Tone, Robert Emmett were only two of the protestant persuasion who fought for the freedom of Ireland, no doubt there are many more, so to bring Irish rebel song's into the debate really confuses me, the colour's on the Irish flag should be enough to convince you that these song's are about Irish history, green white and ORANGE, say's it all really
Tambhoy

Tambhoy

{Ed007's Note - You're wasting your time Tam. Irish songs are wrong but racism is seen as nothing more than a bit of banter.
I'm so glad my father taught me better than some people's obviously did.}

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09 Apr 2014 23:23:41
My apologies I didn't realise Mrs E was quoting. I never read her post properly.

I am fully aware of the club's view on racism etc and I would hope Griffiths is on his last chance here. I am also willing to give him my support during this time. Again I don't believe he meant any malice in anything he sang - I just think he's not too bright.

HenriksTongue

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I said it when we signed him, the boys bad news. I just don't get why we signed someone with previous for racism to start with. At the time I predicted he would be on the front page of the papers before the end of the season, as it panned out it didn't even take him 2 months, and then again less than a week later. Don't care how just get rid cause this feckin idiots going to drag the good name of our club through the mud over and over again.

Marky

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Henrik, Griffiths gave the media their story.

If I got a conviction for racially aggravated breach of the peace, I'd be in bother with my work. I really don't know where this argument 'it was in his own time' comes from. He also must be aware of the SFA's disciplinary procedures, he's been the subject of 3 complaints! It must be part of his player registration?

Mrs E

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Tambhoy, indeed those you mention were protestant and there is indeed Orange in the tri colour but a lot of rebel songs are about hatred for and the murdering of the English (Brit) Race, do I need to elaborate more?

I do not support Racism Ed 007 I merely feel that LG's offence has more to do with him being stupid than an intentional racist. For you to say I support racism is an abuse of your privilege as an editor

BadBhoy

{Ed007's Note - Stupidity is no excuse. You are making excuses for someone singing a (known) racist song, so don't come out with abusing privileges p!sh, I can only go by what you are saying here. I've met well read people who think Hitler was just misunderstood, because they think it doesn't make them right (although you will probably just say it was a bit of a laugh that got out of hand, he should have just said sorry).
It's better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.}

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LG is a dafty, but will become a top drawer player.
I think that this should be his first and only chance, well in my book it should.
He needs to keep his head down and get on with his football.
I don't think he realised the implications of what he was singing, nor did he appreciate the microscopic scrutiny he is now under.

I think the club and the SFA (or whatever they are called now) should hammer him. I also agree with the poster that said about spending time with refugees etc. I would also like him to make a very explicit public apology.

We are a different club to many others because of our social stance. We have all made mistakes though.

Discipline LG, if he is repentant forgive but don't forget. Hopefully Celtic will teach him and he will become a better man for it all.

Jhimmy T

{Ed007's Note - This is the second time Griffiths has been in trouble with the police regarding racism, he doesn't seem to be learning by his mistakes does he? And no empty apology is going to change the way he is viewed.}

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I would be looking for a sincere apology which would have more credibility if he actually had to do some type of community service.

Forgot about that other racist incident, I absolutely abhor racism and always have.

This is his first chance at Celtic, I get the impression that you ain't a fan Ed and can totally understand why.

Just voicing my opinion, he is still a young boy, I will not be in his corner if there is a repeat. I don't condone what he has done, I think, as I mentioned in my last post, he is daft and ill-educated.

As part of our social responsibility should we not try to educate and rehabilitate those that exhibit intolerance? It's always going to divide opinion but I hope he can learn from this and put this behind him.

Jhimmy T

{Ed007's Note - I'm not a fan mate and have made my feelings abundantly clear about him. I backed him against the initial NoC (the song about Hearts going bust) as I seen that as a bit of youngsters having a giggle but the racist singing just highlighted once again what type of a man he is, stupidity is no excuse in my eyes. Stupid people know right and wrong, remember Riordan was fined over the same song and the Dunfermline fan fined, both incidents were well documented, so he can't say he didn't know, he's a Hibs fan so must have at least known about the Riordan incident.
I knew all along the video of the Skacel song existed (just like I knew his last court appearance was due and never said) after the initial exposure I thought he had escaped facing any consequences, plus if I mentioned there was more and it had never came out I would have been accused of making it up because of my feelings about Griffiths.
He hasn't learnt from any his past misdemeanours and I doubt he ever will.
What do you think someone like Tommy Burns, Paul McStay or Billy McNeill would think about the situation? They knew that along with the privilege of playing for CFC, or managing them, comes massive responsibility and certain standards have to be adhered to.
Sadly those standards have been allowed to be lowered and forgotten by those running the club and sections of those who supposedly support it.
Maybe it's an age thing.....
One of the factors with Dalgish getting sacked from LFC was the way he handled the Suarez racist incident, Abramovich wanted to sack John Terry over the Anton Ferdinand racist incident and was talked out of it by Michael Emenalo and Eddie Newton. That's how serious racism is seen across the world yet in Scotland people would rather try to justify it, as long as the perpetrator plays for their team of course. Would the same people back a Sevco player for doing the same? NO CHANCE!!!!
Excuse my spelling Jhimmy, I'm flying blind on my tablet with no spell-check!}

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To some of the above I fully understand the definition of refugee but my point was I had never heard celtics roots being described as refugees I have always heard it described as irish immigrants but I suppose it's ok to change our history to fit rudi skacel.

Jim1972

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Sorry forgot to add I know rudi skacel isn't a refugee anyway

Jim1972

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The bottom line is whether the song was sung from a racist or derogatory point of view, it's still morally wrong and should result in severe disciplinary action. I got took to a disciplinary with my ex-employer because of my Republican + Antifascist views (even though it was on and I didn't have the name of my employer or anything else to do with the company on my page) so if it's punishable, and backed by Unison may I add, to support a United Ireland + oppose fascism then it should be punishable to sing a derogatory/racist song.

HamiltonBhoy

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I think we all agree he should be punished but some of us feel sacking him is a step too far but this whole saga should be his last chance at celtic.

Jim1972

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I find it hard to understand how so many on here who would claim to be Celtic fans are condemning Griffiths without an iota of evidence . The video certainly is far from clear . Hibs fans within the pub said he didn't . We should all be part of the Celtic family and we should support and help each other. Any family member that turns there back on their own who is in difficulty can hardly claim to be a good family person .

Chris02

{Ed007's Note - I think I need a shower after reading that. I've got my own family thanks, I neither want or need to be part of anything made up by some desperate and needy morons on Tw@tter.}

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I thnk we're all talking if the video is legit Chris.

It's not about turning your back on your own either, I discipline my kids - does that mean I've turned my back on them?

I'm not really into the whole Celtic family thing either lol

Each to their own though :-)

Mrs E

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Cringe. Celtic family lol. I don't know how anyone who claims to be a Celtic fan and sings IF YOU KNOW YOUR HISTORY on a weekly basis can back any player who's made racist/derogatory comments towards a Czech expat footballer being a refugee!

HamiltonBhoy

{Ed007's Note - I had you down as a fully paid up member of the #CelticFamily. Didn't I see you wearing a Barca top with #LennonBarcaNorwichIonlyEatArgentinianCornedBeefandIveBeenToDublinForaWeekendSoImIrishFamily on the back of it the other week?}

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Argentinian corned beef - what's that?

I've managed to get to this age and thanks to social media have seen new words lol

Comrades?

Mrs E

{Ed007's Note - During the Falklands Conflict Britain banned the importation of Argentinian beef, especially corned beef. It was removed from supermarkets etc but there were companies who bought as much as possible to do their bit for the Argentinian economy and to protest against the British invasion. Personally I've never came across any actual proof of it and it seems to be a story concocted by the same type of lowlife's that say Celtic left their floodlights on to guide German bombers during WW2, totally oblivious to the fact that CP didn't get floodlights until 1959, a full 14 years after the war finished!
I blame the schools.}

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Badbhoy, Yes I think you should elaborate more, I know many Scot's who hate the English, I know some Welsh who hate the English, but none of them have had done to them what the English done to the Irish and I would say not just the English but the Scot's too. As I wrote before the song's are all about IRISH history and what happened to the Irish people, if we Scot's had been abused the way the Irish have we would be singing song's about it too, for you to bring this into the argument about LG is ludicrous
Tambhoy

Tambhoy

{Ed007's Note - Go to any country in Europe and you will meet people who hate the English. In fact go further afield, India, the USA, Australia and Canada all hold the English in utter contempt. There aren't many places who haven't suffered at their hands one way or another.}

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Corned beef lol

Some will believe anything when it suits. Education definitely seems the way forward!

Mrs E

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06 Apr 2014 11:11:10
Ed or anybody else heard any nice juicy rumours about who NL may be off to watch during our little rest?

JimTim

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A replacement for Forster from Portugal or England.

Lyons82

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I'm just watching him on English MoTD actually, he's a guest pundit tonight.
Talks a lot of sense, funny, got all the Liverpool decisions spot on as well.
Like the guy.

The Juicer

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Maybe, maybe. The Fabianski and Ford links do not impress me at all. I'd rather go for Ricardo or Monetti, despite having seen neither of them, how bad is that! Was hoping Djuricic or Grosskreutz might pop up but cluthing at straws really.

I have a few criticisms of NL but I absolutely love listening to his insight on football, he has a real dignified way of talking about the game, the guy clearly knows his stuff. He just needs to be given a fair crack of the whip and be a bit more ruthless in his application. And stop telling us Lawell's porkie pies!

JimTim

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Well maybe his ideal occupation would be to become a pundit then and criticize guys in a job alongside failed managers like Mark Lawrenson and Alan Shearer because his style of football, tactical knowledge and inability to come up with a plan B stinks.

HamiltonBhoy

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Lennon will be back at Leicester after Xmas HB, wait and see.

The Juicer

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Mate, it wouldn't surprise me if he takes the Norwich job, starting in the summer. Tbh, that's his level at best, bottom EPL / top Championship.

HamiltonBhoy

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05 Apr 2014 11:43:07
Celtic XI v Dundee Utd: Forster; Brown, Ambrose, van Dijk, Izaguirre; Henderson, Kayal, Johansen, Samaras; Commons, Stokes

Subs: Zaluska, Griffiths, Balde, Pukki, Mouyokolo, O'Connell, Herron

Ed007

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02 Apr 2014 20:54:35
A website have run a story that Damien Duff is on NL radar. Any truth in this ed?

gaelicbhoy

{Ed007's Note - No. Duff has already said he is moving back to Ireland in the summer when his Fulham contract expires so that his kids are closer to their extended families. He's was injured last month and will miss the rest of the season but says he will look for a League of Ireland side to sign for next season. You do know he is 35 don't you?}

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02 Apr 2014 16:01:55
CFC's post split fixtures:

Sat 19 Apr, 12.45pm: Motherwell v Celtic (Sky)
Sun 27 Apr, 3pm: Celtic v ICT
Sat 3 May, 3pm: Celtic v Aberdeen
Wed 7 May, 7.45pm: St Johnstone v Celtic (BT)
Sun 11 May, 12.15pm: Celtic v Dundee Utd (Sky)

Ed007

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Ed,

Any idea when the trophy presentation is?

Cheers.

FrannyBhoy

{Ed007's Note - Last game of the season v Dundee Utd.}

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I would get a bit of satisfaction from seeing a convincing win over Aberdeen!

Mrs E

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02 Apr 2014 02:35:42
Kayal wants to leave.

Longbeachbhoy

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Don't think he will be getting
choice in the matter

fab1

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Great player first year and had high expectations of him although injuries hampered his time with us I feelhe has let many fans down with his statement today (media are ****ed though). I'll b partly disappointed if he go's but guess the writings on the wall now.

Queenslie

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02 Apr 2014 16:15:16
Good! he's rubbish, ., .kbarry

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Thank you and goodbye you won't be missed had plenty of potential but after that thugs shocking tackle you where never quite the same mr kayal

gordybhoy87

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Thank you mate but you left a long time ago

huddle_bhoy67

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31 Mar 2014 17:59:03
Celtic U20s XI v Sevco U20s: Fasan; Herron, O'Connell, Fraser, Waters; Thomson, McManus, Lindsay; McMullan, Johnstone, P. Twardzik

Subs: Hart, Donnelly, Kelleher, Hendry, Tierney, McLaren, Breslin

Ed007

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2-0! Well done the wee Hoops 🍀

Mrs E

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30 Mar 2014 20:18:06
ed i'm hearing rumours lennon for bringing watt back possibly to play in remaining games of season. you know anything about it mate?

nice to see henderson getting a run in the team and o connel put in a good performance yesterday also.

would like to see fisher and fridjonson getting some more game time. we all like to win but for one game I would play the resserves/u20s. would really give the fans a boost I think cause look at the reception balde gets when he comes on for his cameo

Kieran_Bhoy

{Ed007's Note - Lierse wouldn't stand in the way of Watt returning early but he wouldn't be eligible to play for us Kieran, it's outside the transfer window so he can't be registered.
I'd love to see a team of our reserves and youngsters given a full match, I also think it could prove successful attendance wise, a lot of people would turn up to see something different on the park and get a look at players they don't normally see. The result would be immaterial in the grand scheme of things.}

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Is o Connell, the same lad related to Paul o Connell?

Big yin

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29 Mar 2014 13:58:52
Celtic XI v Ross County: Forster; Ambrose, van Dijk, O'Connell; Izaguirre; Henderson, Brown, Johansen, Commons; Stokes, Griffiths

Subs: Zaluska, Samaras, Balde, Pukki, Kayal, Herron, Fraser

Ed007

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26 Mar 2014 18:43:09
Celtic XI v Partick Thistle: Forster; Matthews, Ambrose, van Dijk, Izaguirre; Brown, Johansen, Mulgrew, Commons; Stokes, Griffiths.

Subs: Zaluska, Samaras, Balde, Pukki, Kayal, O'Connell, Henderson

Ed007

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22 Mar 2014 13:57:08
Celtic XI v St Mirren: Forster; Matthews, van Dijk, Mulgrew, Izaguirre; Henderson, Brown, Johansen, Commons; Griffiths, Stokes

Subs: Zaluska, Ambrose, Samaras, Balde, Pukki, Kayal, F. Twardzik

Ed007

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19 Mar 2014 19:31:26
The Celtic 14-15 Home Kit will be carried over from last season. The new Celtic 14-15 Away Kit is green / gold, the Celtic 14-15 Third Jersey is mainly white with green and yellow design elements.Looking at July for the first release and about September-ish for the next.More info as I get it, not much getting banded about at the moment.

PS Expect the strips to be slightly dearer than this year.£55 for short sleeve and £70 for long.Shorts are £25 and socks £15.

Jungle Bhoy

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Even allowing for the over inflated price of merchandise these days I still don't know how they can justify a £15 difference between short and long sleeves.

Marky

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19 Mar 2014 20:21:01
Slightly dearer? It's an absolute disgrace how much they charge for the kit. The reason I haven't bought the last 2 is because I'm not shelling out £60 for a football top!

HenriksTongue

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@Marky. I think they're charging £7.50 an arm

edward71

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Its not celtics fault its nikes celtic only get £10 per strip i'm sure I read somewhere
Gordybhoy

gordybhoy87

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20 Mar 2014 22:03:53
Why can the likes of Sports Direct sell it for less than Celtic do?

HenriksTongue

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You can buy the plain Nike football tops for under a tenner, taking into consideration the cost of putting badges + sponsors on, I still can't justify the prices of football kits nowadays! The answer? Spend £55-70 on a green (or white) polo and/or jumper you can wear every day, ie at work or to the pub!

HamiltonBhoy

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17 Mar 2014 21:00:38
Van dijk is bound for Inter Milan in the summer, €16m.

kertur1888

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Do you dream this stuff. Your last three posts before before the window shut was Ledleys staying to the summer, Armstrongs signing, Snodgrass is signing and McKays signing. Keep dreaming or guessing, by the law of averages you should get one right eventually.

Marky

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No it's Real Madrid for 25 million. defo

edward71

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14 Mar 2014 18:44:15
Celtic XI v Kilmarnock:

Forster; Matthews, Ambrose, Mulgrew, Izaguirre; Brown, Henderson, Johansen, Commons; Stokes, Griffiths.

Subs: Zaluska, Samaras, Boerrigter, Balde, Pukki, Kayal, O'Connell

Ed007

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14 Mar 2014 11:04:05
Ed

A mate of mine from London Town, who has a season ticket at Palace, says that written into the deal with Celtic, is that:-

1) If Palace stay up, we get an extra £2.5M

AND

2) If Palace go down, we have first option on him, for the price that they paid in January

Anybody else heard anything about this?

Samson81

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Would we want Ledley back? He wanted to leave a CL team, to play in the relegation fight in the PL. Well Joe, hope you will enjoy watching us in the CL while your happy being in a mid-table English championship team.

JollyGreenGiant

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Joe Ledley is of premier league quality IMO so based on that I would say any player with that quality would be welcomed back. Champions league is certainly a big thing to be involved in but the day to day vigours of playing in the Scottish league isn't as prestigious as the English so you can't blame Ledley Hooper Wanyama for wanting a shot at it and I think most would welcome any of those players back at Celtic if such a deal was brokered for any one of them.

PedroCelt

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@jollygreengiant how do u know he wanted to leave for crystal palace? Has he said anything to that affect?

Contract dispute with board, was length on offer. He wanted to stay till end of 2014/15 season, but board wanted him to sign a longer term contract.

Crystal Palace were the only team in for him, we were going to lose him in summer for nothing so I can see why he was sold in january.

You are quick to jump the gun and overlook a major factor in this situation- he could of rejected crystal palace, left for nothing at end of season to whatever team. At least we got a fee for him.

Anyway I don't fault the bhoy for having ambitions and not wanting to sign the longer terms contract. Scottish football is getting worse. You mentioned championship, reality is that league is a far superior league

DN30

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DN30
You beat your own argument.
If he didn't want to go to Palace then he wouldn't have went. You're right, he could have stayed and went for nothing in the summer but he chose to go in January. And he went to Palace because he wanted to.
Think about what you're posting before making a tool of yourself! lol lol

Hail Hail

ChrisBhoy

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@chrisbhoy he did not have a choice. Was told when he reported for training that bid was accepted. Actually respect the bhoy was going in january and ensuring celtic got a fee, when i'm sure in the summer he could of went to teams on a par with say everton.

Think about what i'm posting? Bit rich coming from you judging by the pish you post f*d

DN30

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16 Mar 2014 00:05:29
Heard it was more is wife being home sick than him wanting to leave, great player in my eyes.Celtic should have paid for these type of players not to leave!

topher1888

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Ed don't usually comment on these kind of rumours but there is a clause on ledleys contract that if they stay up celtic will get 1.5 m! I heard that from frank mcavennie I have played in a good few charity matches with him as he is my best mates friend he didn't say anything about the buy back part though don't really see him coming back anyway do you?

Tam1888

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Why leave to come back 6 month later? He ain't coming back ever!

Johncass

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DN30
What do you mean he didn't have a choice? Of course he had a choice. He was offered a new contract and he said no. The offer was only accepted because he chose not to sign it. If Ledley had signed then no offer would have been accepted in the first place. Can you not compute that logic in your brain?

Hail Hail

ChrisBhoy

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@chrisbhoy 10/10 for stating the obvious! You have just agreed with what I said in original post, regards contract. Thought I had already covered fact he was offered contract and chose not to sign it?

He was told with regards to crystal palace bid, club would rather he left january rather than summer.

How do you know no offer would of been accepted if he signed a new contract? Has this never happened at any club before, where a player signs a new contract and shortly later a bid is accepted? Every player has a price, are you really that thick you can't understand that?

DN30

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Chrisbhoy are you not the one who sticks up for sammi all the time he's done the opposite of Ledley

Hoopybhoy

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Hoopybhoy, no you've got the wrong person. I am not Sammy's biggest fan. What has that got to do with this thread anyway? Run along, there's a good boy.
DN30, there's no point trying to reason with you because you clearly don't have the required intelligence but I shall continue to point out your mistakes and stupidity as I see it as a great source of amusement. It sure is fun to see someone make a clown of themselves and no-one does it better than you lol
How's the Sevco page, by the way? Are you still a frequent visitor? You know, like the time you commented that if I wanted to ask Ed a question about them I should go onto their site? And guess who was found playing with the enemy just a couple of hours later? Yip that's right. YOU! lol lol
I'm sure if I were to have a look on their site I'd find posts from you as usual. You just can't stay away from them, can you? lol

Hail Hail

ChrisBhoy

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@chrisbhoy you are clearly not the sharpest tool in the shed. You do not have a clue what you are talking about, that's why you can't back your statement up and are changing the subject.

So what if I have posted on their page? I think you will find anytime I have done that, it is in retaliation to @johncass trying to wind people up on this page. I don't post anything about that mob on this page unlike the obsession YOU have. Sevco this, sevco that is all we hear from @chrisbhoy. Oh sorry! Sammi as well (dont know what drill is there, bit weird).

You have nothing constructive to say and it seems to be a regular occurrence you getting shot down in flames. I look forward to many laughs to come at your ridiculous statements.

DN30

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Chrisbhoy, u don't make any sense, like most of yer posts. Mind boggling gash

Whats the relevance to thread if someone posts on sevco? At least its on their page and we are not subjected to gash u post aboot them on this! Dn30, I would of dun the same.

KP1888

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Hee hee hee
DN30, winding you up is like shooting fish in a barrel. I didn't think it would be so easy lol
Chill out, have a break from your stress and go hang out with them over on your favourite page! lol

Hail Hail

ChrisBhoy

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KP1888
I'm entitled to my opinion and I don't need your permission to give it so wind yer neck in chum!

Hail Hail

ChrisBhoy

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@chrisbhoy explain how u are winding me up? Since when did providing a response become "winding up"? If anyone is wound up, its you. Your trying to save face, but making an a*se of it

DN30

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Chrisbhoy

Aye, aye princess. It looks like its you who's getting wound up.

KP1888

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DN30
You stated Ledley had no choice. I said he had. He could have signed the contract and then there wouldn't have been a transfer as the club made it clear they wanted him to stay. They weren't planning on getting him to sign a contract and then sell him. That may have happened to other players at other clubs in the past but Lennon wanted him to stay. That has been my point all along so what part of that simple logic can't you understand?

Hail Hail
Hail Hail

ChrisBhoy

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Chrisbhoy you have clearly misread my post. Fairly straight forward that a contract is a choice, however if you took time to read post you would of realised the choice I was talking about was leaving in january and not the summer. This was due to pressure put on him as club didn't want to not get any fee for him.

I never said once that was the plan to get him to sign a contract then sell him. YOU said if ledley had signed contract, no bid would of been accepted and I replied by asking how do you know that no bid would of been accepted? Basically you were ridiculously implying that just because in the case he did sign, other clubs would be put off bidding which is total nonsense. Happens all the time in football.

I can't understand what you say, cause there is no logic to what your saying

DN30

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I give up trying to make sense of your nonsense.
For the last time.
You said he didn't have a choice and he was told a bid had been accepted and he had to go.
I said he DID have a choice.
He could have CHOSEN to sign a contract and stay.
He CHOSE not to sign a contract.
He CHOSE to go to Palace.
He CHOSE to accept their offer.
Palace might not have been his preference but he CHOSE to go anyway.
In summary, he REJECTED our offer and CHOSE to go even after Celtic made it clear to him, the fans and the footballing world that they wanted him to stay.
And you maintain in your earlier post that he didn't have a choice?

End of. Your bollox is not worth another reply.

Hail Hail

ChrisBhoy

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Chrisbhoy you have got to be taking the p*ss. Surely nobody can be that dense!

You have just confirmed everything I said regards contract. You really are a clown

Still no answer to questions put to you.

Absolute and utter bull per usual from you

DN30

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The two of you are embarrassing to most of us by carrying on like this. I thought the celtic family prided it's self on being exactly that and for having more class than you know who.

WTBhoy

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@wtbhoy see if you don't like debates, stay off site. that's the purpose of this site, to discuss matters relating to celtic and not everyone is going to agree on what's being said.

Here we go with celtic family p*sh.Love how so called super supporters like you bring this up whenever they don't agree with what's being said. Its fans like you who are running this club into ground and are happy to potter along with a sub-standard team in a poor league.

The only embarrassment "to the celtic family" is you. Now jog on

DN30

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DN30, I've told you before, control our temper! lol
wtbhoy has a valid point (although I know he was directing it mostly at you!)lol lol

ChrisBhoy

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Chrisbhoy, if he doesn't like what being said he should stay out of it. End of the day you have your opinion, I have mine. Its the purpose of this page to discuss celtic related matters.

DN30

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09 Mar 2014 02:24:32
Nice to see that VVD's agent is making all the right noises this morning. Well, Mr. Chin, he'll not be going anywhere unless it's on our terms, money grabbing prick. I hate agents.

JimTim

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Agents along with Sky Tv have fkd the game. i'm not bothered if he goes at end of season, good player but would rather have 11 players on park who want to be here.

DN30

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Agents usually speak with players blessing, but who knows? Maybe no getting in World Cup squad was enough for vvd to seek pastures new?

Johncass

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Totally DN. Did he grow up a hoops fan? No. Is he destined for a better league than ours? Yes. But they're like Rasputin at times agents. Little whispers here and there, or even public statements like Chin's. Half of them would rather misguide their players into joining bog standard clubs facing relegation for the sake of lining their own pockets. Granted, I think Virgil can go to the top. Agents talking to the press like this though, clearly angling for moves, really boils my p!ss. Virgil's probably going to be a wee bit embarrassed walking into training.

JimTim

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Wanyama agent done the same, expect him to go

Johncass

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@jimtim I agree mate. They would much rather line their pockets than see any player on their books win medals. Its a bit convenient the timing of all this, coming into final phase of season.

DN30

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Maybe you'll lay off stokes lol as he wants to stay dn30?

Jim1972

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@jim1972 lol no chance lol

DN30

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I've likened him to David Luiz in ways before but now he's supposedly been snapped having dinner with him at Stamford Bridge? I doubt Chelsea would be so stupid so they're probably just sharing tips on perming and recommending wet look jels. He probably is away this summer isn't he. Sigh.

JimTim

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Big Virgil is far too good to be stuck marking the likes of John Sutton and Kris Boyd when he showed in Europe he can hold his own against the very best. He has the potential to be a genuine world class centre back. I would be worried if he didn't want to move to a higher level tbh and I'd wish him all the best if he moved on. A lot of folk on here forget that most of the players are not Celtic fans and don't share the same love for the club that we do

Kevbhoy

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08 Mar 2014 13:51:17
Is it true ed that bitons out for the season

Grahamd80

{Ed007's Note - It looks like it from what people are saying.}

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06 Mar 2014 20:07:24
Comes from a pretty sketchy website but just reading there that Costel Pantilimon is now on the list of potential Forster replacements. From what I've seen I think I'd be quite pleased with that, can't imagine he'd cost a large percentage of what we might receive for big Fraser either.

JimTim

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Utter nonsense

edward71

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Davie Marshall defo if he goes

Johncass

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05 Mar 2014 20:25:53
Just hearing biton picked up quite bad injury tonight pity as the boys been easily one of our better players heres hoping quick recovery

Grahamd80

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Another injury on international week, seems to happen every time, that's why I hate these games. Ever since the John Kennedy incident I've had no interest in international football at all, apart from checking our new injuries at the end of the night.

Marky

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Also heard this. Hoping it's not as bad as first feared, agreed he's been developing well recently and getting better with each game. Wouldn't like to see him out for any length of time.

figobhoy

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05 Mar 2014 17:02:19
Not sure how much credence I put in the following, but apparently UEFAs chief executive has agreed to meet representatives from Celtic to hold preliminary discussions on Celtics desire to leave the ailing Scottish football setup. This was on the sly spurts shorts on line. Personally I welcome the prospect but maybe not in my life time

Jim Dhoc

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I too read this on sly sports newspaper round up! The Scotsman a credited with this story! Willing to meet and discuss celtics want to leave the Scottish league. All this a day after lawells appointment to the European scene?

Delbhoy1888

{Ed007's Note - Here's the link:

http://goo.gl/zgM8Lp

There's a few things of note in it, firstly the Daily Fail's picture of Fergus McCann is NOT Fergus McCann and if you read the actual quotes from Gianni Infantino he doesn't say what is being reported elsewhere. It looks like Infantino was caught off-guard and felt obliged to say something and he also seems a bit confused about the upcoming independence referendum.

I can't see where he says UEFA would be open to specific talks about anything, in fact Infantino has not said anything like what Sly were reporting. Until there is major changes to UEFAs statutes there is no chance of us moving to anywhere. Here's the parts with actual quotes where all he done was admit UEFA are 'open to discussing everything', that is just a general statement and something that everybody knows. The headline should have read: UEFA ADMIT THEY TALK ABOUT STUFF!

Speaking exclusively to Sportsmail at the conclusion of the ECA’s General Meeting, Infantino insisted that UEFA - while currently maintaining their opposition to cross-border leagues at the highest level - are prepared to talk about the possibility of Scotland’s major clubs playing in England in future.

"I don’t know what will happen and there are other discussions going on in Scotland at the moment about independence in any case,' said Infantino. 'One part of the country wants independence and another wants to join England."

"There is an experiment, a test, going on in the BeNe League in women’s football with Belgium and the Netherlands. This has gone on for a year and we will take a look into that after the second year.

There will be discussions going on with all stakeholders. Football is in constant development and we are open to discussing everything."

Despite admitting that UEFA are open to discussing radical changes, Infantino insisted nothing will happen in the short-term.

"I have only heard of this now and there has been no change in the position of UEFA,' he said. 'As matters stand today, this is not a possibility."

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Good chance its something to do with this super league they are talking about.

DN30

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We belong in Scotland in my opinion. I don't want us to leave for anywhere else.

Fran

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It would obvioulsly be great to move but if we did what would be the point in the champs league?

ReeceyBhoy7

{Ed007's Note - I have no doubt that the CL will eventually be replaced by a European Super-League. A number of clubs take the opportunity once or twice a year to discuss various issues including changes in rules, television rights, the power of UEFA, exploitation issues for new technology streams, etc. These discussions also always turn to the possibility of a breakaway pan European league. Several were G14 clubs, several are not, and some clubs decline involvement in such discussions. (2) They would break away from their national leagues and UEFA. They accept that players would initially be banned from FIFA competitions as well, but know that FIFA would be looking to negotiate in any case. It would be the end of UEFA in all probability and UEFA are VERY aware of this. It would also result in a restructuring of many of the national leagues. (3) They would renegotiate their television rights, rights of distribution via other streams etc.. (4) It is the greatest fear of UEFA and all major national authorities are aware that one day it could happen.
As it stands the clubs in the breakaway league wouldn't be eligible to play in the CL, it's UEFA/FIFA's financial constraints they are planning to breaking away from.
If any major club falls foul of FFFP regs it will be interesting to see what, if any, punishment is handed down. The clubs know that without them the CL would become pointless and they are looking at the money that is made off the back of tournaments they participate in. That is money that clubs negotiating their own TV and sponsorship deals could be receiving.
Obviously the CFC board would welcome any invitation regarding moving to a more financially lucrative league but as of now there aren't any serious plans from anyone to form a breakaway league, although a European Super League is, in my view, inevitable in the future.}

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06 Mar 2014 04:42:22
'As matters stand today, this is not a possibility."

End of discussion really. Just more sensationalism / lies / garbage to try and sell papers.

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Thanx ed! Thought this was the case hence the question mark after the lawell appointment. Poor journalism! Don't see any the smaller relegation teams giving their place up or their parachute payments from epl just to give Celtic a place! Our only hope is a super league tournament for more money . Independence would drive even more of a stumbling in my opinion! A total no go-er . Time we all faced facts and put this pipe dream to bed

Delbhoy1888

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I wish we'd stop talking this nonsense, were stuck in our little league & that's the bottom line. No league is going to vote us into their league, as for a European League, none of the big Euro teams are going to leave there League with the obscene money generated by TV companies.

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04 Mar 2014 12:14:17
Hello ed, I know your a Manchester United fan aswell as a Celtic fan. Do you know if there's any truth in the rumour that we might be doing a player plus cash deal with forster going there and lindgaard coming here? I heard that lindgaard is a good keeper but wouldn't his wages be to high anyway?

Darrenbhoy

{Ed007's Note - Anders Lindegaard is in £40k a week at Utd so unless he is willing to take a drop in wages he won't be coming here Darren. His contract runs until summer 2016 as well so he has security at Utd for a couple of years until they start offering him one year extensions like they do with players over 30.
Milan are looking to replace Christian Abbiati who turns 37 this year and is out of contract in the summer so they may follow up their initial interest with an offer for Forster, other than it would be a return to Newcastle to replace Krull if he leaves. Obviously that can all change between now and the summer.}

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I hope we sell forster in summer, all this speculation is getting a bit boring now. Lindegaard is a similar scenario to which we got forster. Although wages may prove stumbling point

DN30

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That's the gist of things down here Ed, Milan wanted Kul anyway even more so now Seedorf is at the helm. Forster would jump at a move to Newcastle, that much is bonified. The whole sell on percentage suites Mike Cashley to a tee as well.

JimTim

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@jimtim I agree with you mate. Makes sense newcastle going for forster. How much they talking for krull?

DN30

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As a guesstimate, I'd say 9-12m for Krul.

JimTim

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Cheers ed, I read it on news now, can't remember the paper it was in. Yeah I thought his wages would be far to high.

Darrenbhoy

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